so evident:   
      
   http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires   
      
   http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp   
      
   http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm   
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   Subject: Re: Scientists:  Most of the areas west of the Mississippi will be   
    uninhabitable within 25 years, desert within 50!   
   Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:48 -0600   
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   On 7/20/2012 9:32 AM, * US * wrote:   
   > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:23:33 -0600, SWOTL  wrote:   
   >   
   >> ... droughts that preceded the   
   >> disappearance of the Anasazi ...   
   >   
   > Do you believe they would somehow dispute that   
   > human activity contributes to desertification?   
      
   I can not comment on what the now extinct Anasazi would believe, nor can    
   you.   
      
   > "The process occurs due to both natural and human causes."   
   >   
   > http://library.thinkquest.org/26026/Science/desertification.html   
      
   The "process" not in effect across the entire inter-mountain West, and    
   especially NOT present at High Park or Waldo Canyon.   
      
   Localized "desertification" in the Colorado Plateau did NOT cause the    
   current La Nina drought, nor did it cause the large Colorado wildfires    
   in High Park or Waldo Canyon.   
      
   Learn to read maps:   
      
   http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires   
      
   http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp   
      
   http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/gct/coloplat.htm   
      
   > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:30:55 -0600, SWOTL  wrote:   
   >   
   >> ... can not tolerate being factually   
   >> contradicted.   
   >   
   > No wonder you ignore the facts, then.   
      
   Why do you think High Park or Waldo Canyon are located in the Colorado    
   Plateau?   
      
   > There are many factors which affect climate.   
   >   
   > Make a note of it.   
      
   Which factors have caused the 1904 La Nina ?   
      
   http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/lanina.html   
      
   What is La Niña?   
   La Niña is characterized by unusually cold ocean temperatures in the    
   eastern equatorial Pacific, as compared to El Niño, which is    
   characterized by unusually warm ocean temperatures in the Equatorial    
   Pacific. Click here for a whole list of frequently asked questions.   
      
   Previous Cold Phases   
   La Niñas occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950,    
   1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995   
      
   Typical La Niña Impacts   
   La Niña tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Niño to the United    
   States — wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and    
   dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier.   
      
   > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:53:33 -0600, SWOTL  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Did "Americans" ...   
   >   
   > You seem to be posting repeated identical messages,   
   > which you wouldn't do if you knew enough about the   
   > fact that your repeat chanting won't substitute for a   
   > valid point of some sort.   
      
   Just answer the question, what did the Anasazi do to their climate to    
   cause the 16th century drought?   
      
   > Do you believe that because the sun heats the earth   
   > human activity can't do so also?   
      
   Human activity did not cause the La Nina 2011-12 drought.   
      
   > Undisputed:   
   >   
   > http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/docs/002-193/002-193.html   
      
   Well actually the relevant portion, as regards the Colorado fires and    
   four corners area is not addressed in this url. It focuses primarily, in    
   its look at North America, upon the Great Plains of the US and Canadian    
   prairie provinces.   
      
   Do try a more relevant cite.   
      
      
   > Also undisputed:   
   >   
   > "Desertification of shrub and grassland into pinyon-juniper   
   > woodland is occurring over much of the Colorado Plateau"   
   >   
   > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641385   
      
   I believe that past range management practices contributed to isolated    
   local effects in areas of Colorado NOT currently burning.   
      
   You may need to look at these maps to discover why your geographic    
   illiteracy is so evident:   
      
   http://google.org/crisismap/2012_us_wildfires   
      
   http://www.smokeybear.com/wildfire-map.asp   
      
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