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|  Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (24/36)  |
|  10 Jul 25 17:14:55  |
 [continued from previous message] >>>>>>>>> *DISPLAY CLEARLY* / *SUN'S* *BRIGHTNESS*: "In the first >>>>>>>>> (mathematical) class of antinomy, the falsity of the >>>>>>>>> presupposition consisted in the following: that something self- >>>>>>>>> contradictory (namely, appearance as a thing in itself) (eg: >>>>>>>>> #136 - yán (顔): FACIAL APPEARANCE / [#60, #76] | #207 - qù >>>>>>>>> (去): TO ABANDON; TO GIVE UP / [#31, #45, #65, #66]) would be >>>>>>>>> represented as being unifiable in a concept. But regarding the >>>>>>>>> second, namely the dynamical, class of antinomy, the falsity of >>>>>>>>> the presupposition consists in this: that something that is >>>>>>>>> unifiable is represented as contradictory; consequently, while >>>>>>>>> in the first case both of the mutually opposing assertions were >>>>>>>>> false, here on the contrary the assertions, which are set in >>>>>>>>> opposition to one another through mere misunderstanding, can >>>>>>>>> both be true. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Specifically, mathematical combination necessarily presupposes >>>>>>>>> the homogeneity of the things combined (in the concept of >>>>>>>>> magnitude), but dynamical connection does not require this at >>>>>>>>> all. If it is a question of the magnitude of something >>>>>>>>> extended, all parts must be homogeneous among themselves and >>>>>>>>> with the whole; in contrast, in the connection of cause and >>>>>>>>> effect homogeneity can indeed be found, but is not necessary; >>>>>>>>> for the concept of causality (whereby through one thing, >>>>>>>>> something completely different from it is posited) at least >>>>>>>>> does not require it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the objects of the sensible world were taken for things in >>>>>>>>> themselves, and the previously stated natural laws for laws of >>>>>>>>> things in themselves, contradiction would be inevitable. In the >>>>>>>>> same way, if the subject of freedom were represented, like the >>>>>>>>> other objects, as a mere appearance, contradiction could again >>>>>>>>> not be avoided, for the same thing would be simultaneously >>>>>>>>> affirmed and denied of the same object in the same sense. But >>>>>>>>> if natural necessity is referred only to appearances and >>>>>>>>> freedom only to things in themselves, then no contradiction >>>>>>>>> arises if both kinds of causality are assumed or conceded >>>>>>>>> equally, however difficult or impossible it may be to make >>>>>>>>> causality of the latter kind conceivable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Within appearance, every effect is an event, or something that >>>>>>>>> happens in time; the effect must, in accordance with the >>>>>>>>> universal law of nature, be preceded by a determination of the >>>>>>>>> causality of its cause (a state of the cause), from which the >>>>>>>>> effect follows in accordance with a constant law. But this >>>>>>>>> determination of the cause to causality must also be something >>>>>>>>> that occurs or takes place; the cause must have begun to act, >>>>>>>>> for otherwise no sequence in time could be thought between it >>>>>>>>> and the effect. [IDEA #344] Both the effect and the causality >>>>>>>>> of the cause would have always existed. Therefore the >>>>>>>>> determination of the cause to act must also have arisen among >>>>>>>>> the appearances, and so it must, like its effect, be an event, >>>>>>>>> which again must have its cause, and so on, and hence natural >>>>>>>>> necessity must be the condition in accordance with which >>>>>>>>> efficient causes are determined. Should, by contrast, freedom >>>>>>>>> be a property of certain causes of appearances, then that >>>>>>>>> freedom must, in relation to the appearances as events, be a >>>>>>>>> faculty of starting those events from itself (sponte - >>>>>>>>> spontaneous), i.e., without the causality of the cause itself >>>>>>>>> having to begin, and hence without need for any other ground to >>>>>>>>> determine its beginning. But then the cause, as to its >>>>>>>>> causality, would not have to be subject to temporal >>>>>>>>> determinations of its state, i.e., would not have to be >>>>>>>>> appearance at all, i.e., would have to be taken for a thing in >>>>>>>>> itself, and only the effects would have to be taken for >>>>>>>>> appearances. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the relation >>>>>>>>> of the *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as cause, to the >>>>>>>>> appearance, as effect. Therefore we cannot bestow freedom upon >>>>>>>>> matter, in consideration of the unceasing activity by which it >>>>>>>>> fills its space, even though this activity occurs through an >>>>>>>>> inner principle. We can just as little find any concept of >>>>>>>>> freedom to fit a purely intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar >>>>>>>>> as his action is immanent. For his action, although independent >>>>>>>>> of causes determining it from outside, nevertheless is >>>>>>>>> determined in his eternal reason, hence in the divine nature. >>>>>>>>> Only if something should begin through an action, hence the >>>>>>>>> effect be found in the time series, and so in the sensible >>>>>>>>> world (e.g., the beginning of the world), does the question >>>>>>>>> arise of whether the causality of the cause must itself also >>>>>>>>> have a beginning, or whether the cause can originate an effect >>>>>>>>> without its causality itself having a beginning. In the first >>>>>>>>> case the concept of this causality is a concept of natural >>>>>>>>> necessity, in the second of freedom. From this the reader will >>>>>>>>> see that, since I have explained freedom as the faculty to >>>>>>>>> begin an event by oneself, I have exactly hit that concept >>>>>>>>> which is the problem of metaphysics. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances >>>>>>>>> can be thought without contradiction, then natural necessity >>>>>>>>> will indeed attach to every connection of cause and effect in >>>>>>>>> the sensible world, and yet that cause which is itself not an >>>>>>>>> appearance (though it underlies appearance) will still be >>>>>>>>> entitled to freedom, and therefore nature and freedom will be >>>>>>>>> attributable without contradiction to the very same thing, but >>>>>>>>> in different respects, in the one case as appearance, in the >>>>>>>>> other as a thing in itself. We have in us a faculty that not >>>>>>>>> only stands in connection with its subjectively determining >>>>>>>>> grounds, which are the natural causes of its [IDEA #345] >>>>>>>>> actions – and thus far is the faculty of a being which itself >>>>>>>>> belongs to appearances – but that also is related to objective >>>>>>>>> grounds that are mere ideas, insofar as these ideas can >>>>>>>>> determine this faculty, a connection that is expressed by ought. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are >>>>>>>>> considering a being (the human being) solely as regards this >>>>>>>>> objectively determinable reason, this being cannot be >>>>>>>>> considered as a being of the senses; rather, the aforesaid >>>>>>>>> property is the property of a thing in itself, and the >>>>>>>>> possibility of that property – namely, how the ought, which has >>>>>>>>> never yet happened, can determine the activity of this being >>>>>>>>> and can be the cause of actions whose effect is an appearance [continued in next message] --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2) |
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