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|  Re: DOLF eats hagelslag (7/17)  |
|  02 Jul 25 19:31:01  |
 [continued from previous message] >> determination of the cause to act must also have arisen among the >> appearances, and so it must, like its effect, be an event, which again >> must have its cause, and so on, and hence natural necessity must be >> the condition in accordance with which efficient causes are >> determined. Should, by contrast, freedom be a property of certain >> causes of appearances, then that freedom must, in relation to the >> appearances as events, be a faculty of starting those events from >> itself (sponte - spontaneous), i.e., without the causality of the >> cause itself having to begin, and hence without need for any other >> ground to determine its beginning. But then the cause, as to its >> causality, would not have to be subject to temporal determinations of >> its state, i.e., would not have to be appearance at all, i.e., would >> have to be taken for a thing in itself, and only the effects would >> have to be taken for appearances. >> >> NOTE: The idea of freedom has its place solely in the relation of the >> *INTELLECTUAL* (des Intellektuellen), as cause, to the appearance, as >> effect. Therefore we cannot bestow freedom upon matter, in >> consideration of the unceasing activity by which it fills its space, >> even though this activity occurs through an inner principle. We can >> just as little find any concept of freedom to fit a purely >> intelligible being, e.g., God, insofar as his action is immanent. For >> his action, although independent of causes determining it from >> outside, nevertheless is determined in his eternal reason, hence in >> the divine nature. Only if something should begin through an action, >> hence the effect be found in the time series, and so in the sensible >> world (e.g., the beginning of the world), does the question arise of >> whether the causality of the cause must itself also have a beginning, >> or whether the cause can originate an effect without its causality >> itself having a beginning. In the first case the concept of this >> causality is a concept of natural necessity, in the second of freedom. >> From this the reader will see that, since I have explained freedom as >> the faculty to begin an event by oneself, I have exactly hit that >> concept which is the problem of metaphysics. >> >> If this sort of influence of intelligible beings on appearances can be >> thought without contradiction, then natural necessity will indeed >> attach to every connection of cause and effect in the sensible world, >> and yet that cause which is itself not an appearance (though it >> underlies appearance) will still be entitled to freedom, and therefore >> nature and freedom will be attributable without contradiction to the >> very same thing, but in different respects, in the one case as >> appearance, in the other as a thing in itself. We have in us a faculty >> that not only stands in connection with its subjectively determining >> grounds, which are the natural causes of its [IDEA #345] actions – and >> thus far is the faculty of a being which itself belongs to appearances >> – but that also is related to objective grounds that are mere ideas, >> insofar as these ideas can determine this faculty, a connection that >> is expressed by ought. >> >> This faculty is called reason, and insofar as we are considering a >> being (the human being) solely as regards this objectively >> determinable reason, this being cannot be considered as a being of the >> senses; rather, the aforesaid property is the property of a thing in >> itself, and the possibility of that property – namely, how the ought, >> which has never yet happened, can determine the activity of this being >> and can be the cause of actions whose effect is an appearance in the >> sensible world – we cannot comprehend at all. Yet the causality of >> reason with respect to effects in the sensible world would nonetheless >> be freedom, insofar as objective grounds, which are themselves ideas, >> are taken to be determining with respect to that causality. For the >> action of that causality would in that case not depend on any >> subjective, hence also not on any temporal conditions, and would >> therefore also not depend on the natural law that serves to determine >> those conditions, because grounds of reason provide the rule for >> actions universally, from principles, without influence from the >> circumstances of time or place. >> >> What I adduce here counts only as an example, for intelligibility, and >> does not belong necessarily to our question, which must be decided >> from mere concepts independently of properties that we find in the >> actual world. >> >> I can now say without contradiction: all actions of rational beings, >> insofar as they are appearances (are encountered in some experience or >> other), are subject to natural necessity; but the very same actions, >> with respect only to the rational subject and its faculty of acting in >> accordance with bare reason, are free. What, then, is required for >> natural necessity? Nothing more than the determinability of every >> event in the sensible world according to constant laws, and therefore >> a relation to a cause within appearance; whereby the underlying thing >> in itself and its causality remain unknown. But I say: the law of >> nature remains, whether the rational being be a cause of effects in >> the sensible world through reason and hence through freedom, or >> whether that being does not determine such effects through rational >> grounds. For if the first is the case, the action takes place >> according to maxims whose effect within appearance will always conform >> to constant laws; if the second is the case, and the action does not >> take [IDEA #346] place according to principles of reason, then it is >> subject to the empirical laws of sensibility, and in both cases the >> effects are connected according to constant laws; but we require >> nothing more for natural necessity, and indeed know nothing more of >> it. In the first case, however, reason is the cause of these natural >> laws and is therefore free, in the second case the effects flow >> according to mere natural laws of sensibility, because reason >> exercises no influence on them; but, because of this, reason is not >> itself determined by sensibility (which is impossible), and it is >> therefore also free in this case. Therefore freedom does not impede >> the natural law of appearances, any more than this law interferes with >> the freedom of the practical use of reason, a use that stands in >> connection with things in themselves as determining grounds." [pages >> 93-97] >> >> DOLF: "How is the notion of a civil society related to the inherent >> human disposition of animus / anima and does such dynamic suggest >> there is an ontic #22 - jié (結): *FORMATIONAL* (circumscribed as >> bounding) #135 - níng (凝): *CONGEALING* / [#56, #79] concept of >> facilitated arbitration as #174 - CYBERNETIC SYSTEMIC / >> ANTHROPOMORPHIC PRINCIPLE which when disordered possesses an >> attenuated #152 / #174 - yí (疑): *DEFICIENCY* / [#29, #61, #62, #22] >> that may in a chronic ontological state be regarded as either >> delinquency or reprobation?" >> >> CAN REFUSAL OF COMMUNION BY IRISH CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PELL ON BOER WAR >> MEMORIAL DAY / PENTECOST SUNDAY 31 MAY 1998 BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE >> INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT? >> [continued in next message] --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2) |
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