Allen,   
       
   With all due respect because you seem like a very positive minded person ...   
       
   AP> Are you still with us?  Is Z5 still Alive?   
       
   ... I must wonder on which planet you are living?   
       
   Is there a Z5 in the nodelist? No? So why ask the question if it is alive? It   
   folded somewhere October 11th 2012 when the last update was published.   
       
   Russell returned as a Zone-independant in zone-3 ... 3:3/50.   
       
   With all the jobs you volunteer for Allen, this is basic knowledge.   
       
    \%/@rd    
      
   --- D'Bridge 3.99   
    * Origin: Many Glacier -- Protect - Preserve - Conserve (2:292/854)