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 Message 178,127 of 178,646 
 Stefan Ram to Peter Fairbrother 
 Re: continuity and topological spaces 
 24 Aug 25 09:10:35 
 
From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de

Peter Fairbrother  wrote or quoted:
>It is claimed that a topology O on a space M is the simplest structure
>which affords a notion of continuity. Two questions:
>1] is there a proof of this?

  That might not be the kind of statement you could really prove,
  since you would need some shared sense of what continuity means
  "before it has a definition". In math though, a word only gets
  its meaning once it is pinned down by a definition.

  Continuity gets defined for topological spaces, and that is
  a very broad definition, since lots of the spaces people care
  about in practice are also topological spaces.

  Nobody's managed to water down the conditions any further and
  still come up with a definition of continuity that lines up
  with what mathematicians expect.

>2] what other structures on spaces (considered as sets of points) give
>notions of continuity?

  Well, I actually know a structure that is not a topological space,
  but it still has its own idea of "continuity". The elements
  are not really thought of as "points" anymore. It comes from
  lattice theory and its connection to denotational semantics.

  To really get that definition, you need a solid book on the topic,
  but it goes something like: "If D and E are cpo's, the function
  f is continuous iff it is monotone and preserves lubs of chains,
  i.e., for all chains d0 c d1 c . . . in D, it is the case that
  f(U(n>=0): d_n) = U(n>=0): f(d_n) in E.".

  The term was probably picked because of the loose analogy to
  continuity in topological spaces, and there was no real risk
  of mixing the two up.

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