XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
From: physfitfreak@gmail.com

On 4/19/25 8:06 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 4/19/25 7:39 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 4/19/25 5:19 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 4/19/25 2:37 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 4/19/25 1:59 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
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>>>>> An Iranian more independent and self-centered news outlet (in
>>>>> Telegram) which does not necessarily obey any demands on them by
>>>>> Iran's government, early on, towards the beginning of the talk
>>>>> disclosed that Araghchi and his team had cancelled the talk minutes
>>>>> into its start, and for about 15 minutes or so were preparing to
>>>>> leave the building (Ommani embassy in Italy) and return to Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>> This news piece was not touched on at the end of the 2nd rounds
>>>>> talks by spokesperson of foreign ministry. No other Iranian sources
>>>>> of news also touched on that, either because they didn't have the
>>>>> information, or they followed ministry's directive in keeping it
>>>>> quiet. No news of it in Western outlets that I could see either.
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>>>> In this round of talk, no reporters were allowed in the building.
>>>> Even spokesperson himself wasn't allowed to be there. And I don't
>>>> think anyone among Iran's team texted this out directly to that news
>>>> agency. It'd be absurd to do that. Much more likely, Araghchi
>>>> himself called up other Iran's authorities to ask for permission to
>>>> abort, and it was granted. Then some Iranians in the government
>>>> itself immediately leaked it to that news agency against the wishes
>>>> of the government.
>>>>
>>>> There's a second route also. Perhaps some Mossad agent among
>>>> Americans' team texted it out to Mossad, and Iran's spies among
>>>> Mossad (plenty of them!) texted it to that news agency and perhaps
>>>> scores of other ones as well, then only the most independent one
>>>> disclosed it in Telegram. I think these two are the only routes that
>>>> the news could take to come out.
>>>>
>>>> I saw the news piece just minutes after the attempt to abort took
>>>> place! I.e. during those minutes that mission was aborted. This is a
>>>> bit too fast to be normal reaction on either side. I think there's
>>>> more to it than it seems.
>>>>
>>>> How it was handled _after_ 2nd round was over, was of course just
>>>> correct diplomatic behavior preserving both sides' face. Such nitty
>>>> gritties are washed and cleaned off before news to media is given.
>>>> But the fact that somebody, some side, wanted very badly and quickly
>>>> for it to come out, is the strange and interesting part of it :)
>>>>
>>>> Could be that somebody will explain this in the news for a wider
>>>> audience. We'll see.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the official Iranian news channel whose reporter woman was in Rome
>>> broadcasting live from outside the place of meeting, the only clue
>>> that could point to this event is that she said (live cast)
>>> spokesperson was called inside and despite arrangements made between
>>> them to relay the news to the woman reporter, she was saying he had
>>> gone silent for the past few minutes and is not responding to our
>>> queries. Then she herself concluded that "talks may have started to
>>> cover very serious matters, taking all spokesman's attention." :)
>>> This is the only sign that you could see in Iran's official news.
>>>
>>> Anyway, this thing isn't deserving all this attention and I'm already
>>> sick of it. As far as my own view is concerned, as I've said it
>>> multiple times, it doesn't matter how this talk "goes forward" or
>>> even is kept going or not. This whole thing to contact and create a
>>> dialogue with the Americans is inconsequential to Iran because
>>> regardless of the outcome, Iran must and would do exactly what she
>>> should, with or without a talk. There aren't "choices" there for Iran
>>> to think and choose from when Nazis are pressuring her.
>>>
>>> In fact this is also the stance of Pezeshkiyan and Iran's Leader
>>> himself. Both of them have pointed out that this matter of
>>> "negotiation" is one among tens of other tasks that foreign ministry
>>> is involved in and does not absorb any more attention than that, and
>>> some people's tying the events or their decisions and plans to it is
>>> ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Talking with Americans is not consequential for Iran, and therefore,
>>> it is not consequential _to_ Iran. End of this crap story.
>>>
>>> Talking with Russia is, and talking with China is, and similarly
>>> developing ties with central Asians and Arabs and Indians and central
>>> and south Americans ARE consequential for (and to) Iran.
>>>
>>> USA and its cohorts and to tell you the truth the whole fucking
>>> cro-magnon people is a thing of the past for Iran. It was over
>>> decades ago.
>>>
>>> Here let me one more time quote Raisi on that:
>>>
>>>     "They are the past; we are the future. I repeat, they are the
>>> past, and we are the future."
>>>
>>>                     - Raisi in delivering his speech in
UN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> More bits and pieces of what went on has come out. Same reporter to
>> whom Araghchi had told, "It is moving forward", when reporter asked
>> directly whether negotiations were constructive, Araghchi emphasized
>> that, "The negotiations took place in a constructive _atmosphere_"..
>>
>> So the machinery was there at best as it could be arranged, but as far
>> as results are concerned it is too soon to comment. I.e. nothing is
>> yet done.
>>
>> Next round is one week later in Omman again. I don't know how they
>> came up with the idea of doing it once a week. Who decided that one
>> week of thinking it over and making up the mind is neither too short
>> nor too long? Is there some study that has determined that? Is it what
>> Iran wants, or is it USA's choice? Too long for Trump personally, but
>> what is the norm and where has it come from. What study?
>>
>> In physics, for instance, the period is about one year. You won't 100%
>> understand, and won't integrate it fully with your present knowledge,
>> what you are packing into your brain right now, till a year later. And
>> as you continue packing stuff in it, only what you packed a year
>> earlier will make 100% sense to you and 100% available for you to
>> apply and utilize.
>>
>> But that's physics. How about sensitive negotiations? Did they
>> discover this one-week period by trial and error in settling spousal
>> disputes or something? Does court of law do it also?
>>
>> For the decision my dick made to dump physics and destroy my degree,

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