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Thomas Heger  wrote:

> Am Donnerstag000010, 10.04.2025 um 19:46 schrieb x:
> > On 4/9/25 23:26, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >  > Am Mittwoch000009, 09.04.2025 um 11:04 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> >  >> Thomas Heger  wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >>> Am Montag000007, 07.04.2025 um 12:03 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> >  >>>> Physfitfreak  wrote:
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>>> On 3/12/25 4:16 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >  >>>>>> FYA, all.
> >  >>>>>> Who wrote this letter, and for whom was it intended?
> >  >>>>>> (ten bonus points for the correct year)
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>> ======
> >  >>>>>> Herr Einstein is one of the most original minds that we have ever
> >  >>>>>> met.
> >  >>>>>> In spite of his youth he already occupies a very honorable position
> >  >>>>>> among the foremost savants of his time.
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>> What we marvel at him, above all, is the ease with which he adjusts
> >  >>>>>> himself to new conceptions and draws all possible deductions from
> >  >>>>>> them.
> >  >>>>>> He does not cling to classic principles, but sees all conceivable
> >  >>>>>> possibilities when he is confronted with a physical problem.
> >  >>>>>> In his mind this becomes transformed into an anticipation of
> >  >>>>>> new phenomena that may some day be verified in actual
> > experience....
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>> The future will give more and more proofs of the merits of Herr
> >  >>>>>> Einstein, and the University that succeeds in attaching him to
> > itself
> >  >>>>>> may be certain that it will derive honour from its connection with
> >  >>>>>> the
> >  >>>>>> young master.
> >  >>>>>> =======
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>> Guess Who?
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>> Jan
> >  >>>>>> (cheaters will be disqualified)
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>>
> >  >>>>>
> >  >>>>>
> >  >>>>>
> >  >>>>> This forged letter sounds like what Einstein himself would dictate
> >  >>>>> to a
> >  >>>>> "Whodat" type of Bozo to create a recommendation letter.
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> So denialism is what it is for you.
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> In the meantime I have dug up he original French text.
> >  >>>> (not bad, for a forger who didn't speak French, Eh?)
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> As for the letter: Einstein and Poincare had met for the first and
> > last
> >  >>>> time at the Solvay conference, Oct. 30 to Nov. 2, 1911.
> >  >>>> The letter of recommendation by Curie and Poincare to the ETH,
> > Zurich,
> >  >>>> was written shortly afterwards.
> >  >>>> Einstein's appointment at the ETH finally came through in July 1912.
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> It is of course inconceivable that Poincare would have met
> > Einstein on
> >  >>>> friendly terms at the Solvay, where he had lively discussions with
> > him,
> >  >>>> (together with Lorentz) and that he would have written this letter of
> >  >>>> recommendation if he had considered Einstein to be a mere plagiarist
> >  >>>> of his own work.
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> Jan
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> Letter of Recommendatation
> >  >>>> ====
> >  >>>> M. Einstein est un des esprits les plus originaux que j'aie connus;
> >  >>> ...
> >  >>>
> >  >>>
> >  >>>> ====
> >  >>>> Signed,  Mme. Curie and Henri Poincaré
> >  >>> translation by google
> >  >>>
> >  >>> "Mr. Einstein is one of the most original minds I have ever known;"
> >  >>>
> >  >>> Apparently Poincare knew Einstein in person, hence Einstein spoke
> >  >>> French.
> >  >>
> >  >> Poincare no doubt had studied Einstein's publications,
> >  >> and they met in person for thee days at the 1911 Solvay conference.
> >  >> The letter of recommendation was written shortly after that.
> >  >>
> >  >>> But not only was Einstein able to speak French somehow, but apperently
> >  >>> spoke French well.
> >  >>
> >  >> Good enough. It is a matter of record that Lorentz, Einstein, and
> >  >> Poincare had long discussions at the Solvay conference.
> >  >> The language in which is not known, probably a mix of French and
> > German.
> >  >> Poincare was born in Nancy, Lorraine, close to the French-German
> > border.
> >  >> His mother was born close to the French-Luxembourg border.
> >  >> The whole Alsace-Lorraine region is effectively bi-lingual.
> >  >> I guess that Poincare, who lived there until age 19,
> >  >> could also speak German well enough.
> >  >> He was certainly capable of reading German.
> >  >> And in case of language problems Lorentz could interpret.
> >  >>
> >  >>> This little fact disturbed me already some time ago, since Einstein
> > was
> >  >>> by no means a fast learner of any language (as can be seen in his poor
> >  >>> performance in English after ten years at Princton).
> >  >>
> >  >> Not too bad, given that Einstein started learning and speaking English
> >  >> when already in his fifties.
> >  >>
> >  >>> So: where did Einstein learn French?
> >  >>
> >  >> In high school, obviously, and in practice by living in Switzerland for
> >  >> many years. (which is a tri-lingual country)
> >  >>
> >  >>> Most likely Einstein also spoke Italien, because his family lived in
> >  >>> Pavia, Italy and Einstein spent some time there.
> >  >>
> >  >> Yes, that too, somewhat.
> >  >>
> >  >>> Now: German, Italian and French make a set of languages, which are
> >  >>> spoken in Switzerland and no other country.
> >  >>>
> >  >>> The natural question would be, if Einstein had also other relations to
> >  >>> Switzerland.
> >  >>
> >  >> Of course, he was a Swiss citizen, by choice.
> >  >>
> >  >>> Well, actually Einstein had a few:
> >  >>>
> >  >>> went to school in Aarau (Switzerland)
> >  >>> went to university in Zurich (Switzerland)
> >  >>> married, lived and worked in Bern (Switzerland)
> >  >>> spent his live after retirement in Switzerland
> >  >>> has Swiss citizenship
> >  >>
> >  >> Yes, yes, 'Einstein retiring to Switzerland'.
> >  >> Your ability to invent historical 'facts' to suit your prejudices
> >  >> remains amazing,
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > There were certain stations in the life of Einstein, which simply didn't
> >  > make sense:
> >  >
> >  > 1)Einstein remained alone in Germany, after his family moved to Italy.
> >  > But since when is this allowed and even possible?
> >  >
> >  > 2) he quit school and went to Italy, after denouncing German citizenship
> >  > as teenager (afaik at the age of 16).
> >  > But Germans were (and are) a little burocratic and didn't care much
> >  > about the wishes of teenagers.  So how could Einstein possily denouce
> >  > German citizenship?
> >  >
> >  > 3) he went to Pavia, Italy, where his family lived. But he stayed there
> >  > some month without attending school (the enighboring Jesuits wrote on
> >  > their website, that Einstein stayed there for an entire year!).

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