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|  Message 177,402 of 178,646  |
|  Physfitfreak to FromTheRafters  |
|  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K  |
|  05 Apr 25 13:23:12  |
 [continued from previous message] >>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the computer to order >>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a healthy >>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout" button, >>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of getting >>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit was not a >>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the correct >>> answer, otherwise food nommo. >>> >>> The question went like this: >>> >>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers 0.999999... >>> and 1 ?" >>> >>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix point. So >>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was not a >>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that funky form, >>> using an infinite series of digit 9. >>> >>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot. Bye!" >>> >>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus had >>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started >>> jotting down: >>> >>> x = 0.99999.... >>> >>> Therefore: >>> >>> 10x = 9.99999.... >>> >>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter: >>> >>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999... >>> >>> Which simplifies to: >>> >>> 9x = 9 >>> >>> And therefore: >>> >>> x = 1 >>> >>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day). >>> >>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... " >>> >>> >>> (end of quote) >>> >>> >>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen >>> about? :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Once I was reading a book or article, >> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...), >> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed >> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot, >> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said >> same and about half said different. >> >> >> It's two different natural notations that happen >> to collide and thus result being ambiguous. >> >> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic >> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten, >> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities, >> and the order in numbers. >> >> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its >> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse, >> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different >> account, of increment on the one side, and, division >> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had >> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions, >> and tally marks are only increment, that though >> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a >> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation >> of "numbering" and "counting". >> >> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account, >> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's >> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic, >> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then, >> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account, >> to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities. >> >> >> So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk >> away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet, >> it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own >> constructive account. So, it's a convention. >> >> >> It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity >> theory", which results as of admitting only the principal >> branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe" >> or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics, >> branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory, >> yet the usual account has that it's just nothing, >> or that it's apeiron and asymptotic. >> >> >> So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why >> that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the >> course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also >> rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results >> thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity >> of integers, the integral moduli. >> >> Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively >> back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called >> "iota-values". >> >> Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d, >> for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this >> is a limit of functions for this function which is not- >> a- real- function yet is a nonstandard function and that >> has real analytical character, it's a discrete function >> that's integrable and whose integral equals 1, it illustrates >> a doubling-space according to measure theory in the measure problem, >> it's its own anti-derivative so all the tricks about the exponential >> function in functional analysis have their usual methods about it, >> it's also a pdf and CDF of the natural integers at uniform random, >> of which there are others, because there are at least three laws >> of large numbers, at least three Cantor spaces, at least three >> models of continuous domains, and, at least three probability >> distributions of the naturals at uniform random. >> >> So, "iota-values" are not the same thing as the raw differential, >> which differential analysts will be very familiar with as usually >> not- the- raw- differential yet only as under the integral bar >> in the formalism, yet representing about the solidus or divisor bar >> the relation of two quantities algebraically, then indeed there's >> that "iota-values" are as of some "standard infinitesimals", yet >> only under the limit of function the "natural/unit equivalency function" >> the N/U EF, about [0,1]. This thus results a model of >> a continuous domain "line reals" to go along with the usual standard >> linear curriculum's "field reals" then furthermore later there's >> a "signal reals" of at least these three models of continuous domains. >> >> >> The usual demonstration after introducing the repeating terminus >> and using algebra to demonstrate a fact about arithmetic, >> is good for itself, and is one of the primary simplifications >> of the linear curriculum, yet as a notation, it's natural that >> two different systems of notation can see it variously, then >> that it merely demands a sort of book-keeping, to disambiguate it. >> >> If you ever wonder why mathematics didn't have one of these, >> or, two of these as it were together, it does, and it's only >> a particular field of mathematics sort of absent the super-classical >> and infinitary reasoning, that doesn't. >> >> Then at least we got particle/wave duality as super-classical, >> then Zeno's classical expositions of the super-classical were >> just given as that the infinite limit as introduced in pre-calculus >> said we could ignore the deductive result that it really must complete, >> the geometric series. > > Then again, one can define the reals as the convergences of uncountably > infinitely many infinite series. There is no differece between 0.999... > and 1, they are simply two different representations of the same > mathematical object. Bullshit. The point in question is exactly whether what you say is bullshit :) The answer to the baby problem shows, quite simply, that X is indeed 0.9999... and _certainly_ not 1. Physics, only in its most useful form for humans, can speak for [continued in next message] --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05 * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2) |
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