From: HenHanna@NewsGrouper

DDeden  posted:

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> HenHanna@NewsGrouper  posted:
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> > >>>  Thanks Hen. I have doubts that tall came by that unusual route.
> > I think it was always related to tower, perhaps a dialect sound/spelling
change but not semantic change.
> > A star or cloud might be high, but a tower was tall, because it was
constructed of (straight) sticks.
> > And stick has meaning of both a pole and adhesive, because it stemmed from
jabbing a stick into the ground to support a structure.
> > There's a bunch of words that fit the concept of stick-built structure
(steeple, teepee, stable, staple, stall, stand, staff...).
> > Some are from PIE *steup or *steb or *stel. I think tall came from that
place, and by 1500 was used in English, but wasn't rooted in tal or getæl but
in twr or tur.
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> > _________________________
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> >       I just remembered something...
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> >       WHen I was a teenager...  (living in Calif.)
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> >       I just assumed that
> >                             Palos  Verdes  meant  Green Hills
> >                       or  (great views)  Vista of the Green (landscape)
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> >
> >            So I was  surprised to learn that
> >                 it meant  Green Sticks.
> >
> >            and  (shortly after)   was relieved to learn that it means
(tall) Green Trees.
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> > The name "Palos Verdes" comes from the Spanish phrase meaning "green
sticks" or "green trees".
> >
> > It originated from the Mexican land grant called Rancho de Los Palos
Verdes granted in the early 1800s in what is now the Palos Verdes Peninsula
area of California.
> >
> > The name likely referred to the lush willow trees or green timber growing
in the canyons of the region.
> >
> > The phrase "Palos Verdes" was used to describe the landscape’s
verdant vegetation, although early photos show the hills to have been mostly
barren. The name has stuck and now applies broadly to the peninsula and
surrounding communities.
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> Thanks Hen, that is great. I recall 'pale' being a word for a stick or post,
probably related to 'impale'.



Pale meaning stick --- (according to the book (The Roots of English) by
R.Claiborne) is related to
                       trepalium (torture device made of 3 sticks) and to the
word Travel. and to Pagans

Pale (color) made me think of German  (adj.)  Blass, Bleich, and Fahl.
                         and Nabokov's  Pale Fire...


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The short story "Pale Anna" by Heinrich Böll is set in post-war Germany
around 1950 and tells the story of a nameless ex-soldier recently returned
from war. The narrator is lost and disconnected, spending his days waiting
aimlessly in a rented room. 
His landlady frequently talks about her son, who died at war, and shows the
narrator photos of the son with a girl named Anna, known as "Pale Anna," who
was scarred and disfigured due to an air raid during the war.

The narrator seems to have an unclear but emotional connection to "Pale Anna,"
whom he once knew before the war. He struggles with memories of relationships
and his war experiences, haunted by guilt, trauma, and loss. When he finally
gathers the courage 
to visit Pale Anna's room, the story ends ambiguously, hinting at physical and
psychological scars, unresolved feelings, and the complex aftermath of war.
Themes include trauma, memory, alienation, and the difficulty of confronting
one’s past.

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