TID: FastEcho 1.46 43266   
   JH> btw, nobody was trying to make renegade their own.  it's public domain.   
   TM>    
   TM> Actually, it's not.  It was leaked after Jeff Herrings found out Patrick g   
   TM> me the code and he threw a hissy fit like a child.   
   TM>    
      
   that's not what he told me.   
   it actually happened when i was talking on zeronet about it and i was saying    
   it would be good if it was released.  patrick fucked over jeff over some stuff   
   he lent him.   I dont think jeff cared if you had the code or if he even knew    
   about you at that point.  he certainly didn't have any ego about renegade.   
      
   TM> Yes, but the point is, you refused to add the latest files saying there wa   
   TM> enough changes to be worth it, as if it was your choice. So now, everyone    
   TM> get the most up to date version from both sites, as it should've been from   
   TM> start.   
      
   well at that point there were not enough changes to warrant an update on the    
   site.   and it was my site and i ran it how i wanted to.  I provided support    
   for the older versions and I hosted the files.  I also linked to other    
   renegade developers.   
      
   I gave the domain to lux because he said he wanted to do something with    
   renegade and help people out.  of course, he never did anything.   
      
   If you wanted the domain you should have just asked for it.  you could have    
   got it for free instead of paying 1k for it.  I was certainly not a squatter.   
      
   but really, the whole renegade situation is a big pathetic mess. I don't know    
   why you pride yourself on being the home of renegade.  Renegade bbs is an    
   orphan.    
      
   i hate jason scott but he said it best:   
      
   "Note from Jason Scott: For a number of years while I worked on the BBS    
   documentary, I came into contact with a good number of the developers for    
   Renegade software. To say there's some miscommunication between different    
   parties is an understatement. Part of the problem (if it can be called that)    
   is that first of all, Renegade was a popular BBS program, meaning there was    
   significant worth and value placed on feature development and work, meaning    
   more pressure for whoever announced they were working on it. Second, the    
   software's source code has been tightly controlled since its creation, meaning   
   that only authorized parties could develop it. This meant a small web of    
   trust, and also meant that if whoever was developing the software wasn't doing   
   so to the satisfaction of the large (non-paying) audience, they recieved an    
   awful lot of grief. Finally, Windows' acceptance and dominance of the x86    
   platform meant that Renegade's development was stalled at several critical    
   junctures. As mentioned above, work has continued, but there are a lot of    
   broken hearts and bad feelings left behind with this program."   
      
   --- Renegade v1.33/DOS   
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