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   On 29/11/2024 13:07, Michael Schwingen wrote:   
   > On 2024-11-28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro  wrote:   
   >>> No, as far as the wireless channel and the access point are concerned,   
   >>> these are two separate clients.  That they are attached to the same host   
   >>> does not matter, they will cooperate / share airtime.   
   >>   
   >> Regardless of how you look at it, they are colliding with each other.   
   >   
   > Yes, but CSMA/CA reduces that to a point where it works fine unless the   
   > channel is heavily loaded.   
   >   
   >> Having two interfaces on the same channel cannot magically double its   
   >> bandwidth.   
   >   
   > I never said that - of course they share the bandwidth, just like two   
   > separate clients do.  Noone installs one separate access point for every   
   > device they use (not only because you would run out of free channels quite   
   > quick, even with 5/6GHz) - multiple devices connected to a single AP is a   
   > standard, supported scenario. Even when one client does heavy up/downloads,   
   > the others will notice a slowdown, but not the packet loss problems that   
   > were the start of this thread.   
   >   
   >> And because both transmitters are so close to each other, that   
   >> aggravates the losses from frame collisions.   
   >   
   > How? Being close to each other, they can easily "see" when the channel is   
   > busy and will not step over each other's foot. Contrary, widely spaced   
   clients   
   > lead to the "hidden station" problem where two stations each "see" the   
   > access point, but not each other, and start to transmit at the same time.   
   >   
   > cu   
   > Michael   
      
   The point being wifi is as shit as coaxial ethernet was, and should be   
   avoided if at all possible   
      
   --   
   “It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established   
   authorities are wrong.”   
      
   ― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV   
      
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