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   Chris Green  wrote:   
   > Lawrence D'Oliveiro  wrote:   
   >> "Replacement" for what other desktops in that price range?   
   >>   
   >> Maybe compared to something second-hand that is 10 years old, and consumes   
   >> 10x the power, perhaps.   
   >   
   > I think you're a bit behind the times there.  PCs (as in x86_64 based)   
   > can now be found, even second hand, that consume only four or five   
   > watts. I have a number of Fujitsu Esprimo systems (Q557 and Q957) with   
   > power consumption down around five watts, I'm sure there are other   
   > manufacturers' systems similar.   
      
   Interesting, did you find somewhere online that told you this   
   before buying one? The specs I find for them are just the power   
   supply wattage (and even that can take a lot of hunting sometimes),   
   which for the Fujitsu Esprimo Q557 is 65W. I tried to find details   
   about idle power consumption for these mini desktop systems and   
   never got anywhere, except for x86_64 SBCs, so I bought one of them   
   instead (similar wattage to what you quote, but a slower CPU).   
      
   > Refurbished Q556s can be bought for around ?50 which compares   
   > pretty favourably with a Pi 5, plus case, plus power supply, etc.   
      
   If there was a physical shop selling them nearby me I'd turn up   
   there with a power meter in-hand. It's very frustrating that the   
   manufacturers don't talk about it (though RPi don't either, users   
   just happen to post their own measurements online in places I can   
   find).   
      
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