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   On 31/12/2023 11:35, Pancho wrote:   
   > On 31/12/2023 09:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 08:28:28 +0000   
   >> The Natural Philosopher  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> The problem was really that C was *so* good, that people did start to   
   >>> write hugely complex stuff in it, and using people who wouldn't know a   
   >>> register or a stack pointer if it poked them in the eye or how DMA   
   >>> worked...to write them.   
   >>   
   >>     There were two other factors in the rise of C. You could get a C   
   >> compiler for just about anything, importantly there were several for   
   >> CP/M.   
   >> There weren't many decent languages that were that widely available. Also   
   >> almost every university CS course used it from very early on (Cambridge   
   >> being the notable exception because Martin Richards was there) so from   
   >> around 1980 there were a *lot* of people trained in C.   
   >>   
   >   
   > I thought university CS courses of the era avoided C and preferred more   
   > academic, pedagogical languages: Pascal, Prolog, Smalltalk, ML, Lisp.   
   >   
   Compscis had their head in the clouds and their noses stuck up their   
   arses. We learnt how to code without any 'courses'   
      
   > The benefit of C was that it was closer to assembler and suited the low   
   > power CPUs of the time, when programmers needed to think close to the   
   > metal in order to achieve acceptable performance.   
   >   
   > On the job, C was easy to learn and the 'C Programming Language' was a   
   > very good manual.   
   >   
   all that   
      
   > I was taught both OO and functional programming before I ever met C at   
   > work, which may be why I was positive about OO-Design, C++ when it came   
   > along.   
   >   
   > To this day I still prefer my brackets (C, C++, C#) in Pascal style   
   > rather than K&R, which I begrudgingly use with Java.   
      
   I think I do too.   
      
   Did pascal have curlies?   
      
   I had a friend with an Apple II and he said he couldnt code in C because   
   it had no curlies...on the kee bored   
      
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