* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, mark lewis said:   
      
    ML> you have to think old school... fidonet has been doing this gating thing   
    ML> since the '80s... FRED was one of those i used way back but then GIGO   
    ML> came out and i switched to it because there was a native OS/2 version...   
      
   I've ran both GIGO and FRED.  I could still use GIGO but I need something that   
      
    captures the SMTP inbound and puts it into a file that GIGO can read.  Thaat's   
      
    the tricky part is getting something to listen on the SMTP port.   
      
    ML> good grief... it is only a piddly little mailing list that you're   
    ML> after... not top secret nuclear facility access and launch codes... set   
    ML> up a gmail, yahoo or hotmail account as AP_elebbs@whatever and get your   
    ML> mailing list support as needed... set up one address for each list or   
      
   No not top secret stuff... but I can see why the new mail servers like   
      
    Exchange are doing what they do.  Now they are checking all received e-mails   
      
    against an embedded SPF "Seed" in the message to verify if you actually sent   
      
    it.   
      
   What happens with older mailing list servers is that they send the message as   
      
    if the user actually sent it which doesn't cut the validation.  On the flip   
      
    side if I found something that listened to the SMTP I probably wouldn't find   
      
    an outbound program that will pass the proper validation going outbound and a   
      
    lot of my sent mail will not be delivered either.   
      
   Older versions of mailman do not send messages "on behalf" they send as the   
      
    user.  Believe me when I worked for Charter/Level-3 we actually had this blow   
      
    up about 4 years ago when they decided to implement this type of anti-spam.   
      
    Now almost every modern mailserver has this kind of checking.   
      
   It's a good thing because people would spam the lists very easily by spoofing   
      
    a participant's mail address... now it isn't that easy.   
      
   Allen   
      
      
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