From: nilknocgeo@earthlink.net
"Adam H. Kerman" wrote in message
news:lp190m$u4r$1@news.albasani.net...
> conklin wrote:
>>"Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>>On 01-Jul-14 16:03, conklin wrote:
>>>>"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>
>>>>>Do you really believe there's a business case for building a fiber
>>>>>plant in a rural area?
>
>>>>As the copper wire is abandoned everywhere, ...
>
>>>Copper isn't being "abandoned" anywhere; it is quite valuable.
>
>>Its use for telephone service is being abandoned everywhere.
>
> Oh, for heaven's sake, George: There are selected places in which Baby
> Bells and ex-GTE (which absolutely DOES NOT apply to rural telephone
> coops nor exchanges that never were Bell nor GTE) are trying to get out
> of providing a traditional telephone switch in a central office serving
> copper loops to subscriber premisis. This is for regulatory reasons as
> they are required to provide wholesale rates to competitors who access
> the historic telephone plant. There are a handful of instances in which
> state public utility commissions have gone along with this, and FCC is
> always threatening to eliminate federal mandates.
>
> It's going to be a very long time before it happens in a majority
> of Baby Bell exchanges.
>
> Non-Bell exchanges are regulated differently and, with some exceptions
> (like former GTE exchanges), are not subject to wholesale rates and
> competition. They have no regulatory incentive to abandon copper.
>
> If the copper pair is in good condition, it's still useful for data and
> voice needs. Cable distributors providing broadband manage to do it
> on coax, which is ancient wiring technology too.
>
> btw, there are two different fiber models. I dunno why you were saying you
> have "FiOS" (the i is lower case), which is Verizon's marketing term.
> We all know that Verizon was rolling out FiOS slowly and pretty much
> stopped at some point, due to its incredible expense. Your notion that
> fiber is cost effective to install is goofy.
>
> FiOS is "fiber to the premisis"; they have fiber on the pole line and
> then install a fiber drop to the building and have some sort of terminal
> on the outside of the building with battery that lasts for a brief
> period but not the eight to twenty-four hours that battery would have
> lasted at the central office.
>
> AT&T's Uverse is "fiber to the node", in which AT&T builds nodes to
> serve a couple dozen to a hundred buildings but continues to use a
> portion of the copper loop between the node and the pole line, then
> the original drop between the pole line and the premisis.
>
> In a city or suburban area, the drop may be 20 to 40 feet from the pole
> line, but in a rural area, you're talking about a significant distance,
> and I have no idea why any rural co-op, no matter how much subsidy it
> received, would replace anybody's drop with fiber. So between not being
> in a Verizon area and being in a rural area, I have no idea why you would
> state that you have FiOS, although maybe Verizon is providing some support
> to rural co-ops. In a rural area, a fiber drop installation would cost
> more than several years of gross revenue they'd receive from the
> subscriber,
> so that's just not going to happen unless the subscriber has a need for
> it and pays up front. I don't really understand how maintaining copper
> drops are affordable in rural areas.
>
> Given that rural telephone and electric co-ops receive monies for phone
> and data from the Universal Service Fund and grant monies for electric
> from
> the farm bill (which pay for maintenance and installation of the physical
> plant with respect to the pole line, which also benefits telephone), your
> idea that rural telephone co-ops don't receive massive subsidy is absurd.
Fiber optic is replacing copper wire, regardless of location. Sorry about
that. It seems to bother you. I am not concerned with what trademark it
uses.
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