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   Message 878 of 3,261   
   Robert Heller to Adam H. Kerman   
   Re: Trains Magazine--"modern streetcar"    
   01 Jul 14 13:29:44   
   
   From: heller@deepsoft.com   
      
   At Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:49:37 +0000 (UTC) "Adam H. Kerman"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   > conklin  wrote:   
   > >"Adam H. Kerman"  wrote:   
   > >>conklin  wrote:   
   >   
   > >>>The rural coopertives do better.  SkyBest in the Boone, NC area, has   
   > >>>put in FIOS at my cabin, a place with such a view that only one house   
   > >>>is visible, and that is in the distance. . . .   
   >   
   > >>Yes, George. Must be lovely to have other people pay for your   
   > >>infrastructure.   
   >   
   > >You never know anything except how to be nasty.   
   >   
   > Sorry you think the truth is nasty, but the ratepayers belonging to that   
   > rural cooperative are NOT the ones paying for your infrastructure. That   
   > would be paid for by a surcharge on fees on everyone else's phone bills   
   > elsewhere in the country.   
   >   
   > Do you really believe there's a business case for building a fiber plant in   
   > a rural area?   
      
   Actually there is.  Just not a business case that the likes of Verizon would   
   buy into.  The deal is that since *municiple cooperatives* don't have to make   
   a ROI or profit in a year (or less), they can afford to get 20 year bonds and   
   spend 20 years paying down the capital costs of the infrastructure. That is,   
   the business model that works involves a 20 year investment time frame.  The   
   private telecom sector can/will only operate on a 1-2 year investment time   
   frame.  This is no different that rural electrification (or rural phone   
   service).  If it was not for *municiple cooperatives*, rural America would   
   *still* be without electricity or phone service.  As it is, rural America   
   generally has crappy phone service and America's electrical grid is aging   
   (badly).   
      
   Checkout http://www.wiredwest.net/ for more information.   
      
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