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|    John Levine to All    |
|    Re: loss of citizenship, was more time z    |
|    24 Jun 14 16:40:24    |
      From: johnl@iecc.com              >>>I think that's an income tax thing.       >       >>No, it was Afroyim v. Rusk, a Supreme Court decision in 1967, which reversed       >>several other decisions going back to 1898 and said the only way to lose US       >>citizenship is to voluntarily renounce it.       >       >>Since then the Congress has indeed passed a bunch of laws that make it       >>hard to renounce your citizenship, and demand large payments to       >>compensate for all the taxes a nonresident would presumably stop       >>paying.       >       >So you're saying it's like a tax law thing.              Only partly.              Historically, the US viewed citizenship as a privilege, and if you did       something disloyal like vote in someone else's election or fight in       their army or accept their citizenship, you lost it, and courts       confirmed that. In the 1960s, the courts did a U-turn and now read       the 14th Amendment to say that you're a citizen almost regardless of       what you do, until you specifically say you're not.              The US is the only country to demand that non-resident citizens pay       income taxes just like residents. As taxes have become more       complicated, this means that if you live outside the US, it is a huge       hassle to be a US citizen. Even though there are credits for most       double taxation (US and where they live), friends who live outside the       US assure me that just the paperwork is a huge hassle. As a result,       the vast majority of people who renounce US citizenship do so to stop       having to pay US taxes.              The Congress has realized this is a gravy train, all these allegedly       rich people who live outside the US, pay taxes, and consume no       services. So they've made it harder and harder to renounce.              A little Googlage will find lots of horror stories, US citizens who       live in Canada or Europe and tearfully renounce citizenship because       they can't afford to pay taxes they never realized they owed.              --       Regards,       John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",       Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly              --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03        * Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)    |
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