From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 23-Jun-14 19:30, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>> On 23-Jun-14 16:23, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 23-Jun-14 15:04, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>>>> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> It's unclear to me whether they _always_ get that note on their   
   >>>>>>> passports or only in the case where they specifically request   
   >>>>>>> it, which would seem rather odd.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It was quite clear to me that, unless they apply for the   
   >>>>>> specific notion using the specific form, their passport won't   
   >>>>>> make the distinction.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> There is no mention on that page of what happens if they apply for   
   >>>>> a US passport _without_ using that form.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Uh, they don't get the supposed benefit of the distinction being   
   >>>> noted on their passport, duh.   
   >>>   
   >>> Maybe, maybe not.  That web page does not say either way.   
   >>   
   >> The Web page exists for those who would want such a thing. You're not   
   >> going to get it without applying for it. I have no idea why this   
   >> would confuse you.   
      
   >Again, the web page does not say they _don't_ put that notation in a   
   >regular passport for a non-citizen national.   
      
   I read elsewhere that US passports generally don't distinguish between   
   national and citizen. If I read it on line, it must be true.   
      
   >>>I didn't have to gather any paperwork from Justice or Homeland   
   >>>Security when I applied for my first passport, yet State managed to   
   >>>figure out that I'm a US national/citizen just fine without it.   
      
   >>Terrific. Didn't your birth certificate establish your citizenship?   
   >>It does for everyone else born here.   
      
   >Of course, but you're the one who said "it's not up to the State   
   >Department to determine who is a citizen and who is a national?   
      
   It's not. When INS was disbanded and its functions transferred to the   
   newly created Homeland Security Department, certain functions remained with   
   the Attorney General. If there's a question as to citizenship, the   
   Attorney General would make that call.   
      
   >If that is true, then how did State determine (from my paperwork) that   
   >I was a citizen?   
      
   It appears that your citizenship wasn't being questioned.   
      
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