From: stephen@sprunk.org   
      
   On 23-Jun-14 16:23, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   > Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >> On 23-Jun-14 15:04, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>> It's unclear to me whether they _always_ get that note on their   
   >>>>  passports or only in the case where they specifically request   
   >>>> it, which would seem rather odd.   
   >>>   
   >>> It was quite clear to me that, unless they apply for the   
   >>> specific notion using the specific form, their passport won't   
   >>> make the distinction.   
   >>   
   >> There is no mention on that page of what happens if they apply for   
   >> a US passport _without_ using that form.   
   >   
   > Uh, they don't get the supposed benefit of the distinction being   
   > noted on their passport, duh.   
      
   Maybe, maybe not.  That web page does not say either way.   
      
   >> Seems easier for the State Dept to always put that note on their   
   >> passports, regardless of which form they use to request it.   
   >   
   > Because it's not up to the State Department to determine who is a   
   > citizen and who is a national?   
      
   The State Dept has to figure out who is a US national when they receive   
   a passport application, and the State Dept has to figure out who is a   
   non-citizen national when producing a non-citizen national passport.   
      
   > That's up to Justice and Homeland Security, not State.   
      
   I didn't have to gather any paperwork from Justice or Homeland Security   
   when I applied for my first passport, yet State managed to figure out   
   that I'm a US national/citizen just fine without it.   
      
   >>> The former trust territories now in "compact of free   
   >>> association" with United States, don't conduct their own defence   
   >>> nor foreign relations. Do they get their passports from the US   
   >>> State Department?   
   >>   
   >> CNMI is part of the US now; . . .   
   >   
   > Sigh. Northern Marianas is NOT in a compact of free association with   
   > United States. My comment was about Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and   
   > Palau.   
      
   Ah, sorry.  NMI _was_ in a "Compact of Free Association" with the US,   
   but isn't anymore.  I forgot about the other ones.   
      
   > Looking it up, I'm wrong. They do have embassies and issue   
   > passports. It's just coincidental that their foreign relations   
   > coincide with ours, heh.   
      
   That's not uncommon; many smaller nations have their foreign relations   
   (and defense) handled by a larger, friendly nation.  New Zealand does so   
   for many Pacific island nations, for instance, and Switzerland does so   
   for many more--including for the US in Cuba.   
      
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