From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 23-Jun-14 15:45, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>On 23-Jun-14 14:51, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>>Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
      
   >>>>>US non-citizen nationals have to apply for US citizenship if   
   >>>>>they want it; it's not automatic.  They enter the process   
   >>>>>roughly at the same stage as Legal Permanent Residents,   
   >>>>>though.   
      
   >>>>>In fact, aside from a few screwy details, Legal Permanent   
   >>>>>Residents are effectively the same thing as non-citizen   
   >>>>>nationals, and it would be easier for everyone if we just   
   >>>>>combined the two statuses.   
      
   >>>>That's ridiculous. A permanent resident has immigrated but has   
   >>>>NOT changed his nationality. An American Samoan who wants   
   >>>>citizenship isn't immigrating at all, just nationalizing.   
      
   >>>We currently don't have any special process for non-citizen   
   >>>nationals to become citizens; they have to go through the same   
   >>>process to become citizens as LPRs do, i.e. they are _treated_ as   
   >>>immigrants.   
      
   >>I don't know why you find it necessary to screw with words, when   
   >>using actual words will do.   
      
   >I _am_ using actual words; it's not my fault you don't understand the   
   >subtleties of the topics being discussed and relevant terms.   
      
   It's not subtle to state that Samoans who are not subject to immigration   
   law are treated as immigrants. It's flat-out wrong.   
      
   >>I wonder what immigrants do when their home country passports   
   >>expire, especially if their home country no longer has friendly   
   >>relations with the United States since they immigrated, say Iran, for   
   >>instance. All passports of those who immigrated before the Shah fell   
   >>must have expired by now.   
      
   >They get Re-Entry Permits, Advance Parole, or Refugee Travel Documents   
   >depending on their exact status.  All require proving that they're here   
   >legally _before_ they leave, and in practice can take months or even   
   >years to get.  Or they can just naturalize and get a US passport.   
      
   Well, that helps with re-entry into the United States, but not with   
   travel elsewhere.   
      
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