From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 23-Jun-14 15:04, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>On 23-Jun-14 04:51, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>>Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
      
   >>>>>"the Department determined that those who would be eligible   
   >>>>>to apply for such a certificate may instead apply for a United   
   >>>>>States passport that would delineate and certify their status   
   >>>>>as a national but not a citizen of the United States."   
      
   >>>>Uh, you missed the fact that it's an optional procedure because   
   >>>>the State Department didn't want to create a nearly pointless   
   >>>>new document. Otherwise, passports for citizens just make a   
   >>>>statement about nationality.   
      
   >>>It's unclear to me whether they _always_ get that note on their   
   >>>passports or only in the case where they specifically request it,   
   >>>which would seem rather odd.   
      
   >>It was quite clear to me that, unless they apply for the specific   
   >>notion using the specific form, their passport won't make the   
   >>distinction.   
      
   >There is no mention on that page of what happens if they apply for a US   
   >passport _without_ using that form.   
      
   Uh, they don't get the supposed benefit of the distinction being noted   
   on their passport, duh.   
      
   >Seems easier for the State Dept to always put that note on their   
   >passports, regardless of which form they use to request it.   
      
   Because it's not up to the State Department to determine who is a citizen   
   and who is a national? That's up to Justice and Homeland Security, not State.   
      
   >>The former trust territories now in "compact of free association"   
   >>with United States, don't conduct their own defence nor foreign   
   >>relations. Do they get their passports from the US State Department?   
      
   >CNMI is part of the US now; . . .   
      
   Sigh. Northern Marianas is NOT in a compact of free association with   
   United States. My comment was about Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and Palau.   
      
   Looking it up, I'm wrong. They do have embassies and issue passports.   
   It's just coincidental that their foreign relations coincide with ours, heh.   
      
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