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   Message 755 of 3,261   
   Adam H. Kerman to Stephen Sprunk   
   Re: more time zones   
   23 Jun 14 20:45:54   
   
   From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 23-Jun-14 14:51, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
      
   >>>US non-citizen nationals have to apply for US citizenship if they   
   >>>want it; it's not automatic.  They enter the process roughly at the   
   >>>same stage as Legal Permanent Residents, though.   
      
   >>>In fact, aside from a few screwy details, Legal Permanent Residents   
   >>>are effectively the same thing as non-citizen nationals, and it   
   >>>would be easier for everyone if we just combined the two statuses.   
      
   >>That's ridiculous. A permanent resident has immigrated but has NOT   
   >>changed his nationality. An American Samoan who wants citizenship   
   >>isn't immigrating at all, just nationalizing.   
      
   >We currently don't have any special process for non-citizen nationals to   
   >become citizens; they have to go through the same process to become   
   >citizens as LPRs do, i.e. they are _treated_ as immigrants.   
      
   I don't know why you find it necessary to screw with words, when using   
   actual words will do.   
      
   >>Doesn't a permanent resident continue to use the passport from his   
   >>home country in international travel?   
      
   >Yes, but when coming to the US, they also have to use their green card,   
   >which substitutes for a visa.   
      
   No, dude: A green card is an actual immigration visa. As long as they're   
   carrying this upon re-entry to the United States, they don't even show   
   their passport. Because they've immigrated, travel visas aren't applicable   
   to them, if that's what you were getting at. But a green card is a visa.   
      
   I wonder what immigrants do when their home country passports expire,   
   especially if their home country no longer has friendly relations with   
   the United States since they immigrated, say Iran, for instance. All   
   passports of those who immigrated before the Shah fell must have   
   expired by now.   
      
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