From: nilknocgeo@earthlink.net   
      
   "Sancho Panza"  wrote in message   
   news:mtjlv.470541$s87.279732@fx11.iad...   
   > On 5/17/2014 2:14 PM, conklin wrote:   
   >> "Adam H. Kerman"  wrote in message   
   >> news:ll86mr$bon$3@news.albasani.net...   
   >>> conklin  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Adam H. Kerman"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:ll5r60$1i7$2@news.albasani.net...   
   >>>>> conklin  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "Adam H. Kerman"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:ll5js2$iav$1@news.albasani.net...   
   >>>>>>> conklin  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>> news:4992f897-fa17-41c7-b650-e1b6c2448af6@googlegroups.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> http://www.mta.info/news/2014/05/15/metro-north-announc   
   s-sweeping-series-safety-reforms   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Automated Track Inspection: Metro-North has developed a   
   >>>>>>>> comprehensive   
   >>>>>>>> automated track inspection plan. This plan includes the use of   
   >>>>>>>> track   
   >>>>>>>> geometry measurements, machine vision track inspection, and rail   
   >>>>>>>> internal   
   >>>>>>>> defect testing. These efforts will augment the visual inspections   
   >>>>>>>> conducted   
   >>>>>>>> by the railroad. Metro-North is purchasing an autonomous track   
   >>>>>>>> monitoring   
   >>>>>>>> system to be mounted on passenger rail cars, to provide continuous   
   >>>>>>>> information about the condition of the right-of-way. The railroad   
   >>>>>>>> will   
   >>>>>>>> also   
   >>>>>>>> obtain a dedicated track geometry vehicle.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> This is what is needed for those 120 car oil trains.  They need a   
   >>>>>>>> sensors   
   >>>>>>>> on   
   >>>>>>>> every oil train.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And do what, exactly, George, that automated track inspection   
   >>>>>>> doesn't   
   >>>>>>> achieve when performed at regular intervals? You're completely   
   >>>>>>> insane.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Do you ever bother reading what you post?  Here is part of your   
   >>>>>> reference:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> -----------------------------------------   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Metro-North is purchasing an autonomous track monitoring system to be   
   >>>>>> mounted on passenger rail cars, to provide continuous   
   >>>>>> information about the condition of the right-of-way.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> -----------------------------------   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> You say that is ok for Metro-North, but BAD for oil trains.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> At no point have I said it was ok for Metro North.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I'm saying that track monitoring may get the track repaired before   
   >>>>> subsequent trains travel on that route, but they don't get the track   
   >>>>> repaired   
   >>>>> for the train equipped with track-monitoring equipment.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Oil trains need   
   >>>>>> the track monitoring system to be mounted on each train to provide   
   >>>>>> continuous information about the right-of-way.  No exceptions.  Just   
   >>>>>> like   
   >>>>>> Metro-North is going to do.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Well, know, what you want is the train ahead of the oil train to have   
   >>>>> monitored track conditions, so that the oil train moves over   
   >>>>> newly-repaired   
   >>>>> track. But that's stupid because track doesn't require monitoring   
   >>>>> before   
   >>>>> every single fucking train.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If Metro-North uses track montoring equipment on each train, then oil   
   >>>> trians   
   >>>> should do that too.   
   >>>   
   >>> George, please use your words to form a coherent thought and explain   
   >>> exactly what it is you want to accomplish for the good of the railroad.   
   >>   
   >> If certain safety programs are required for Metro-North to keep from   
   >> having   
   >> accidents, then oil trains need the same equipment, etc.  You refuse to   
   >> recognize that.   
   >>   
   >>   
   > Especially when the regulators can't even assemble and report the   
   > statistics accurately:   
   >   
   > "US State Department Corrects Keystone Pipeline Study Errors   
   > TRP   
   >   
   > The State Department on Friday corrected several errors it made in a key   
   > study evaluating the impact of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline,   
   > including an understatement of how many people could be killed on railroad   
   > tracks if the project were rejected and oil traffic by rail increased.   
   >   
      
   Ok, then I repeat:   
      
    If certain safety programs are required for Metro-North to keep from having   
   accidents, then oil trains need the same equipment and safety protocols.   
   Since the tank car which went in the James River at Lynchburg, VA, and then   
   reptured, was the "new" design, it seems like the safety upgrades for tank   
   cars are not very effective or perhaps not even signficant in a serious   
   derailment.   
      
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