From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Robert Heller   wrote:   
   >At Sun, 8 Jun 2014 19:29:13 +0000 (UTC) "Adam H. Kerman"    
   wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Benjamin.Kubelsky  wrote:   
   >> >On 6/7/2014 12:24 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >>btw, wider lanes means MORE speeding.   
   >>   
   >> >Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. If it means 1. fewer traffic   
   >> >deaths, 2. Increased revenue from citations, 3. Speeder trips for road   
   >> >users. Of course, if #1 is reversed, the whole thing falls apart. But   
   >> >I'd think a modern road is generally safer at 15mph over the posted   
   >> >speed than a 1950s era expressway at 10mph over the posted.   
   >>   
   >> >I could be wrong, but it seems that roads of newer design are safer in   
   >> >service and per vehicle and vehicle mile than something like the Arroyo   
   >> >Seco Parkway, formerly known as the Pasadena Freeway, previously known   
   >> >at the Arroyo Seco Parkway.   
   >>   
   >> Roadway speed should come from engineering naturally. You can't build   
   >> a highway with generous lane width (for trucks) and curve radii,   
   >> then set a speed limit significantly lower than the road is designed for.   
   >>   
   >> I don't buy speed traps as a safety measure.   
   >>   
   >> Still think the best way to improve highway safety is to get the assholes   
   >> off the road and stop believing engineering overcomes stupidity.   
   >   
   >Wide open spaces kick in a primal instint to move quickly.  When crossing an   
   >open space, the quick survived and the slow became (big) cat food...  When one   
   >builds a road with generous shoulders, median strips, etc. people will drive   
   >faster.  And yes, engineers do 'over design' roads, that is designing roads   
   >for a higher than posted speed as a safety margin.   
      
   But that guarantees speeders.   
      
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