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   Message 485 of 3,261   
   Robert Heller to Adam H. Kerman   
   Re: Transportation trust fund broke, adv   
   08 Jun 14 16:15:46   
   
   From: heller@deepsoft.com   
      
   At Sun, 8 Jun 2014 19:29:13 +0000 (UTC) "Adam H. Kerman"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   > Benjamin.Kubelsky  wrote:   
   > >On 6/7/2014 12:24 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >   
   > >>btw, wider lanes means MORE speeding.   
   >   
   > >Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. If it means 1. fewer traffic   
   > >deaths, 2. Increased revenue from citations, 3. Speeder trips for road   
   > >users. Of course, if #1 is reversed, the whole thing falls apart. But   
   > >I'd think a modern road is generally safer at 15mph over the posted   
   > >speed than a 1950s era expressway at 10mph over the posted.   
   >   
   > >I could be wrong, but it seems that roads of newer design are safer in   
   > >service and per vehicle and vehicle mile than something like the Arroyo   
   > >Seco Parkway, formerly known as the Pasadena Freeway, previously known   
   > >at the Arroyo Seco Parkway.   
   >   
   > Roadway speed should come from engineering naturally. You can't build   
   > a highway with generous lane width (for trucks) and curve radii,   
   > then set a speed limit significantly lower than the road is designed for.   
   >   
   > I don't buy speed traps as a safety measure.   
   >   
   > Still think the best way to improve highway safety is to get the assholes   
   > off the road and stop believing engineering overcomes stupidity.   
      
   Wide open spaces kick in a primal instint to move quickly.  When crossing an   
   open space, the quick survived and the slow became (big) cat food...  When one   
   builds a road with generous shoulders, median strips, etc. people will drive   
   faster.  And yes, engineers do 'over design' roads, that is designing roads   
   for a higher than posted speed as a safety margin.   
      
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