From: lfsheldon@gmail.com   
      
   On 6/7/2014 11:54 PM, Benjamin.Kubelsky wrote:   
   > On 6/7/2014 12:24 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
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   >> btw, wider lanes means MORE speeding.   
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   > Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. If it means 1. fewer traffic   
   > deaths, 2. Increased revenue from citations, 3. Speeder trips for road   
   > users. Of course, if #1 is reversed, the whole thing falls apart. But   
   > I'd think a modern road is generally safer at 15mph over the posted   
   > speed than a 1950s era expressway at 10mph over the posted.   
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   > I could be wrong, but it seems that roads of newer design are safer in   
   > service and per vehicle and vehicle mile than something like the Arroyo   
   > Seco Parkway, formerly known as the Pasadena Freeway, previously known   
   > at the Arroyo Seco Parkway.   
      
   I was there, but didn't have the forethought to take notes....The   
   original Arroyo Seco Parkway was a frightening thing from the backseat   
   of a 1939 Plymouth Business Coupe*.   
      
   The speed limit was, I think, 45 MPH.  The "off ramps" were tight button   
   hook turns up to a sign.  The "on ramps" were tight button hook turns   
   down to a STOP sign at the edge of the Big Road--you "merged" from a   
   standing start.   
      
   Westbound, there were on  and off ramps to Elysian Park in between tunnels.   
      
   http://metroprimaryresources.info/arroyo-seco-parkway-at-70-the-   
   nusual-history-of-the-pasadena-freeway-california-cycleway-rare-   
   raffic-plan-images/852/   
      
   *Yeah.  I know.  A 1939 Plymouth Business Coupe didn't HAVE a "back   
   seat".  Dad made one out of some 2 X 12 lumber and pillows.   
      
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