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|    In The Dark Of Night to All    |
|    Amtrak train thought to be going twice a    |
|    14 May 15 14:52:04    |
      From: democrats@fail.us              XPost: pa.politics, sac.politics, alt.politics.liberalism       XPost: alt.transportation.trains.driving.high-on-cocaine              (CNN)How do all seven cars and the engine of an Amtrak train       jump the rails, sending passengers, luggage, laptops and more       flying?              One possibility jumped ahead of all others Wednesday: speed.              Authorities haven't said, definitively, what caused the       derailment of Amtrak Northeast Regional Train 188 in       Philadelphia on Tuesday night. But the National Transportation       Safety Board said that preliminary data show the train's speed       exceeded 100 mph before the derailment. That would be more than       twice the 50 mph speed limit for the curve it was in.              An official with direct knowledge of the investigation earlier       said that authorities were focusing on speed as a possible       cause, given the angles of the wreckage and type of damage to       the cars. The recorder, or "black box," discovered at the scene       could be pivotal by showing just that, former NTSB official John       Goglia said.              Peter Goelz, once a top NTSB figure and now a CNN analyst,       predicted that a definitive conclusion could come soon.              "I'm afraid that this train might be going too fast for this       turn," he said.              Investigators looking at speed as factor              NTSB board member Robert Sumwalt has said only that his team       will examine things such as the condition of the track and the       train, how the signals operated and "human performance."              Even if it's determined the train was going too fast, that could       be due to the engineer or a mechanical issue, such as faulty       brakes.              "You have a lot of questions, we have a lot of questions,"       Sumwalt told reporters. "We intend to answer many of those       questions in the next 24 to 48 hours."              Midshipman, AP staffer among the 7 dead       Whatever the cause, it doesn't change the suffering that many       experienced Wednesday -- be they survivors dealing with physical       and emotional trauma, or relatives of the seven people killed       after a few frenetic, horrific moments. Some 238 passengers and       five crew members were on the train when it crashed around 9:30       p.m. Tuesday.              One of those who didn't make it was Jim Gaines, a father of two       who worked as a video software architect for The Associated       Press, his company said.              His family asked for privacy, saying: "Jim was more precious to       us than we can adequately express."              Another was a U.S. Naval Academy midshipman in full uniform       heading home to New York on leave from the Annapolis, Maryland,       school. A family member described 20-year-old Justin Zemser as a       great person and genius whose death has left his parents "beside       themselves."              Hospitals have treated more than 200 others, at least half of       whom have been released. That figure included eight in critical       condition among the 23 wounded passengers at Temple University       Hospital -- the closest trauma center to the crash site --       according to Herb Cushing, the hospital's medical director. The       number of patients there was down from 25 earlier.              "Most patients' conditions are either stable or better so that's       very very good news," Cushing said.              He said many passengers were injured when other passengers or       objects fell on them. One of those hurt is the train's engineer,       who received medical treatment and was interviewed by police,       Mayor Michael Nutter said.              Authorities have not ruled out the possibility of more victims       at the crash site.              "We are heartbroken by what we've experienced here," Nutter said       Wednesday morning. "We have not experienced anything like this       in modern times."              Amtrak train crash victims tell their stories              'A lot of questions'       The miracle may be how some escaped relatively unscathed, given       the severity of the derailment. A U.S. Department of       Transportation representative told CNN that the engine and two       cars were left standing upright, three cars were tipped on their       sides, and one was nearly flipped over on its roof. The seventh       one was "leaning hard."              "It is amazing," Nutter said. "I saw some people last night       literally walking off that train. I don't know how they did it."              The Washington-New York corridor is the busiest stretch for       Amtrak nationwide. Hundreds of trains, carrying thousands of       passengers, have made that trip in recent years, most of them       rolling seamlessly from start to finish on a roughly 3½-hour       journey.              That's what seemed to be happening Tuesday night, passenger       Daniel Wetrin said.              "Everything was normal," he said. "Then it was just chaos."              Jeremy Wladis was in the very last car, eating, when he noticed       the train starting to do "funny things. And it gradually starts       getting worse and worse."              Things started flying -- phones, laptops. "Then people."              "There were two people in the luggage rack above my head. Two       women, catapulted (there)."              As she read a book in the second-to-last car, Janna D'Ambrisi       said, she "felt like we were going a little too fast around a       curve. The car she was in started to tip, and she was thrown       onto another woman.              "People started to fall on us," she said. "I just held on to her       leg and sort of bowed my head and I was kind of praying, 'Please       make it stop.' "              Fortunately, D'Ambrisi's train car didn't tip over and she made       it out safely. She credited many people -- including one fellow       passenger who guided people with his shoes off -- for stepping       up.              "Everyone was just trying to help the people who were injured,       who had blood coming out of their head, their noses, to help       them sit down in the dirt away from the rails," she said.              'Heavily used stretch of track'       The locomotive was built by Siemens and delivered to Amtrak in       2014 specifically for its Northeast Corridor service, a Siemens       official said. That makes it fairly new, which doesn't rule out       the train's condition playing a role in the crash but seemingly       makes it less likely.              One factor that can't be discounted is where the crash happened.              "It's an extremely heavily used stretch of track,"       transportation analyst Matthew L. Wald said of the area. "They       have trouble keeping it in a state of good repair."              The derailment was Amtrak's ninth this year, according to the       Federal Railroad Administration, and while its cause has not yet       been determined, some, like Wald, are already discussing the       nation's aging rail infrastructure.              Noting President Barack Obama's commitment to upgrading the       country's infrastructure, White House press secretary Josh       Earnest said the Obama administration is "hard at work" trying       to figure out what caused the crash, and that their thoughts and       prayers are with the families of everyone affected.              "Along the Northeast Corridor, Amtrak is a way of life for       many," the President said later in a statement. "From       Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia to New York City and Boston,       this is a tragedy that touches us all."              http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/us/philadelphia-amtrak-train-       derailment/              --- SoupGate/W32 v1.03        * Origin: LiveWire BBS -=*=- UseNet FTN Gateway (1:2320/1)    |
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