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   Adam H. Kerman to Stephen Sprunk   
   Re: Getting back to PTC   
   27 Apr 15 16:28:24   
   
   From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 23-Apr-15 14:13, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>> On 23-Apr-15 12:44, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 22-Apr-15 17:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>>>> I'm using the term "socialism" correctly to refer to   
   >>>>>> nationalization of public utilities, ...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is more correctly referred to as "state socialism" (or   
   >>>>> "national socialism", prior to the Nazis appropriating that   
   >>>>> label for what was really fascism).  Plain "socialism" refers   
   >>>>> to the _workers_ owning the means of production, not the   
   >>>>> state.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Dude. The workers themselves owning the means of production is   
   >>>> one form of social ownership, but it is not an exclusive form of   
   >>>> social ownership.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nationalization is another form.   
   >>>   
   >>> Specifically, the form called "state socialism".   
   >>   
   >> I'm not calling it that, and you're arguing semantics.   
      
   >It's one thing to use the wrong term out of ignorance, which has now   
   >been cured.   
      
   I used the correct term. You just didn't like it.   
      
   >If you deliberately choose to use the wrong term despite knowing the   
   >correct one, then you forfeit the right to complain about others'   
   >mistakes--a favorite pastime of yours, it should be noted.   
      
   You're just being a pain in the ass here. It's not an argument.   
      
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