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   Message 286 of 3,261   
   Larry Sheldon to Stephen Sprunk   
   Re: Old railway stations   
   10 May 14 23:01:42   
   
   From: lfsheldon@gmail.com   
      
   On 5/10/2014 10:11 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:   
   > On 03-May-14 18:35, Larry Sheldon wrote:   
   >> On 5/3/2014 2:58 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:   
   >>> On 03-May-14 09:23, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>>> When SCOTUS unilaterally voided federal general common law in   
   >>>>> 1938, "the peace" went too.  As a (mostly) civil law system,   
   >>>>> their agents are charged with enforcing "the law", hence "law   
   >>>>> enforcement officer".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Huh? I thought common law, as a general concept, was not   
   >>>> incorporated by the Founding Fathers by choice, which is why   
   >>>> specific areas of common law they wished to retain were enacted   
   >>>> into law in the First Congress.   
   >>>   
   >>> How could a legislature "enact" common law?  Common law is what   
   >>> courts create on their own when there is a lack of statute law to   
   >>> follow.   
   >>>   
   >>> In the 1800s and early 1900s, the common law varied depending on   
   >>> the people involved: for citizens of the same state, it was state   
   >>> common law in state court, but for citizens of different states, it   
   >>> was federal common law in federal courts.  In 1938, SCOTUS decided   
   >>> that this was a violation of equal protection and the laws of the   
   >>> state where the case originated (including common law, if   
   >>> applicable) should control in diversity cases just as in   
   >>> non-diversity cases.   
   >>>   
   >>> There are still some instances where federal statute explicitly   
   >>> preempts state law (including common law, if applicable) even in   
   >>> non-diversity cases yet is so vague that the federal courts have no   
   >>> choice but to create common law.  This drives "strict   
   >>> constructionists" nuts, but it's the only practical solution until   
   >>> Congress improves the statute law.   
   >>   
   >> IANAL but to my understanding this is a gross misuse of the term   
   >> "common law".   
   >   
   > That's what SCOTUS called it, and they're the authority.   
   >   
   >> I have seen definitions that include an element of "I dunno, we have   
   >> always done it that way".   
   >   
   > That's part of it, but courts often encounter situations that they've   
   > never had to face before and the statutes (if any even exist) are   
   > unclear; the first such court will create new case law to handle it, and   
   > other courts are expected to follow that precedent.  Eventually, that   
   > turns into custom.   
   >   
   >> comĀ·mon law   
   >>   
   >> evolved law: the body of law developed as a result of custom and   
   >> judicial decisions, as distinct from the law laid down by   
   >> legislative assemblies.   
   >   
   > You're (deliberately?) missing the other part of that "and" statement.   
      
   What ever it is I am being accused of, I deny it.   
      
   Some where I learned that "The Body of The Law" in the USA (I think that   
   is my tern--but I am not sure and I am still not a lawyer and would deny   
   it if I was) consists of part or components with names like:   
      
   English law   
   statutory law (comes in flavors like Federal, State, County or Parish,   
   City, and such)   
   Case law ("judicial decisions" in your definition)   
   Common law (I guess "custom" in your definition)   
      
      
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