From: stephen@sprunk.org   
      
   On 28-Apr-14 01:29, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   > Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >> On 27-Apr-14 17:44, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>> As far as fare readers, it's silly to believe you'd need fewer   
   >>> with POP.   
   >>   
   >> You don't need _any_ fare readers with POP unless you've also been   
   >> duped by all the smartcard hype; just use little slips of paper, as   
   >> transit agencies have been doing for over a century.   
   >   
   > I'm just reacting to your claim, above, that more fare readers are   
   > used with gated versus POP.   
      
   Barrier systems inherently require fare readers of some sort, even if   
   they're simple token systems.  POP doesn't require fare readers at all.   
    So, I don't get why you're "reacting" here.   
      
   >>> You need the same number for a given number of passengers.   
   >>> Doesn't really matter if it's part of a turnstile locking   
   >>> mechanism or on a piller.   
   >   
   > You failed to address this point. Is that a concession by you?   
      
   I did address the point; you just ignored it, as usual.   
      
   >>> You don't necessarily require fewer personnel for POP, given   
   >>> that teams of fare inspectors descend on a consist during   
   >>> selective enforcement periods.   
   >>   
   >> POP requires fraction of the personnel; that's part of the point.   
   >   
   > That's not actually true.   
      
   Of course it is.   
      
   >> For instance, DART LRT currently has 60 stations.  That means a   
   >> minimum of 60 ticket agents.   
   >   
   > This statement is off the wall stupid. Remind us how many ticket   
   > agents the old streetcar systems in Dallas and Fort Worth had.   
      
   They were shut down in the 1950s, long before I was born, so I can only   
   guess.  However, they appeared to work just as buses do today: the   
   operator collected the fare from passengers.   
      
   > LRT inherited fare collection methods from streetcars, generally   
   > open platforms.   
      
   POP is nothing like having the bus/streetcar operator collect fares; LRT   
   operators don't interact with passengers at all except in an emergency.   
      
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