From: stephen@sprunk.org   
      
   On 15-May-14 23:54, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   > Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >> On 13-May-14 21:04, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>>> On 11-May-14 08:47, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>>>> Wrong again, Stephen; that's not how federalism works. State   
   >>>>> law and federal law are parallel systems, not   
   >>>>> inferior/superior.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The US Constitution, and the US Civil War, disagree with you;   
   >>>> federal law/courts are superior to state law/courts.   
   >>>   
   >>> There can be overlapping jurisdiction of the two systems. But   
   >>> there is no shortage of incidents in which state courts have   
   >>> sole jurisdiction over the issue at trial, with no appeal in   
   >>> federal court. If federal law was always superior to state law as   
   >>> you claim, then any state matter would be appealable to federal   
   >>> court in all circumstances.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, federal courts have limited jurisdiction; if there is no   
   >> federal controversy at stake, they can't take the case.   
   >   
   > I said that like 12 followups back.   
      
   Not quite, but even if you had, I wouldn't have disagreed.   
      
   However, one can fairly easily _manufacture_ a federal controversy to   
   give federal courts jurisdiction; today this is generally done via the   
   14th Amd, but prior to that diversity cases were common as well.   
      
   >> However, one can appeal some cases (even if not all cases) from   
   >> state courts to federal courts, state courts are obligated to honor   
   >> the rulings of federal courts, and one can never appeal from   
   >> federal courts to state courts; this clearly means that one system   
   >> is superior to the other.   
   >   
   > With regard to the FEDERAL issue only; the trial court goes on to   
   > reconsider issues of state law with respect to the federal ruling.   
   > It's not like the trial moves to federal court.   
      
   That's how _all_ appeals work, assuming the trial court was a court of   
   record, regardless of whether the trial/appellate courts are   
   state/state, state/federal or federal/federal.   
      
   If the trial court was not a court of record, then an appeal requires a   
   new trial in the appellate court.   
      
   S   
      
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