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   Message 2,483 of 3,261   
   Stephen Sprunk to conklin   
   Re: more fuzzy math, was National FREIGH   
   08 Apr 14 14:04:40   
   
   From: stephen@sprunk.org   
      
   On 08-Apr-14 10:13, conklin wrote:   
   > "Stephen Sprunk"  wrote in message   
   > news:li0ugr$gps$2@dont-email.me...   
   >> On 07-Apr-14 14:03, conklin wrote:   
   >>> You said that, not me.  Passenger trains lose money, period,   
   >>> anywhere.   
   >>   
   >> ... except for many places where they make a profit, including   
   >> Acela.   
   >>   
   >>> Even Trains Magazine made that statment about 2 months ago.   
   >>   
   >> Cite?   
   >   
   > It was in the article about whether Amtrak would ever make money,   
   > etc.  I was going to post it at the time, but I assumed everyone knew   
   > that.  The pigs used to subsdize the passengers.  Now that is not   
   > possible,   
      
   Is has been proven around the world that, with modest capital   
   investment, passenger service turns a profit; it doesn't _need_ freight   
   subsidies.   
      
   However, doing that would require Congress to pull their heads out of   
   their collective asses, so I suppose that's close enough to "impossible"   
   for our purposes.   
      
   > it is going to be very hard to keep up the Northeast corridor.   
      
   The NEC routes have the _best_ financial performance of Amtrak's entire   
   network, largely due to Acela's profits; even the Regionals don't do too   
   badly.   
      
   It's trains running on your beloved _freight_ network that lose enormous   
   amounts of money, almost entirely due to lack of capital investment,   
   which hurts both passenger _and_ freight service.   
      
   Investing in more/faster track pays for itself because you spread your   
   (mostly fixed) expenses over more passengers paying higher fares.   
      
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