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   Message 1,942 of 3,261   
   Adam H. Kerman to Stephen Sprunk   
   Re: Train accident victim (Berkeley woma   
   10 Dec 15 23:43:02   
   
   From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 09-Dec-15 14:54, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>> Yes; due to "long arm" laws, as long as _part_ of the act (in this   
   >>> case, the sale of her ticket by a US travel agent) is within the   
   >>> court's territorial jurisdiction, then the rest of the act is as   
   >>> well.   
   >>>   
   >>> This is how, for instance, the US prosecutes people for war crimes   
   >>> or terrorism committed overseas; as long as _part_ of the act was   
   >>> in the US (even if that part alone was completely legal!), we can   
   >>> prosecute them for the _entire_ act.   
   >>   
   >> The foreign country in which the crime occurred has to cede   
   >> jurisdiction,   
   >   
   >Only if they possess the criminal and want to try him themselves, in   
   >which case there's no reason for us to get involved.   
      
   Right. It could happen.   
      
   >> or the country in which the alleged criminal is in has to recognize   
   >> US authority to prosecute and extradite.   
      
   >That's why such criminals run to (or stay in) countries lacking   
   >extradition treaties with the US or like-minded European countries.   
      
   >OTOH, US law permits "extraordinary rendition", which amounts to   
   >invading an uncooperative country, kidnapping the suspect and then   
   >bringing them to the US for trial.  If the country discovers it, there   
   >may be diplomatic consequences, but they'll often cover it up instead   
   >because they actually agree and just can't be _seen_ to agree.   
      
   I thought that meant we didn't bring them to US soil in which we would   
   have to subject them to due process.   
      
   >> We're not going to prosecute crimes from Maoist China or Stalinist   
   >> USSR.   
   >   
   >That's not likely, no, but we do still prosecute Nazis when they get   
   >caught traveling to/through a country with extradition treaties; ditto   
   >for modern war criminals.  We rarely go hunting for them, but if they   
   >are stupid enough to stick their heads up, we'll happily lop them off.   
      
   No one particularly important is still alive. We just have some prosecutors   
   upset that they never got a chance to prosecute one. Anyway, they really   
   can be prosecuted in Germany or Poland, so there's no need for them   
   to be tried here.   
      
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