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   Adam H. Kerman to Stephen Sprunk   
   Re: Mind the gap: US and European train    
   31 Mar 15 22:42:10   
   
   From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 31-Mar-15 13:46, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
   >>Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
      
   >I'd agree there is a problem with the typical curriculum in our public   
   >schools, but that is only distantly related to how well students learn   
   >whatever it is we choose to teach them.   
      
   What happened to teaching kids how to learn so they learn to teach   
   themselves and develop a life-long love of learning? Schools tend to   
   suck the joy out of everything.   
      
   >I disagree with "college-ready" being the only goal for K-12 schools,   
   >but that _was_ the goal chosen by the politicians, and Texas schools   
   >have done a great job--far better than they usually get credit for.   
      
   Yes, vocational education was destroyed, and today, we turn out kids who   
   aren't ready to work upon graduating with a high school education.   
      
   >>>>I just think kids from wealthier families have a better chance   
   >>>>of avoiding certain aspects of education that are harmful. I   
   >>>>don't believe that poor kids can't be educated to the best of   
   >>>>their ability, despite that many of them have serious family   
   >>>>problems. School can't overcome the latter, but better schools   
   >>>>should help.   
      
   >>>That's not what the evidence says, unfortunately.   
      
   >>Maybe we need a new definition.   
      
   >>In my area, Mexican immigrants live in the suburbs, in much of the   
   >>metropolitan area. It's not like the parents have better jobs or a   
   >>higher standard of living or pay higher rent, although the suburbs   
   >>that aren't drug re-distribution points have lower murder rates.   
      
   >>They do better in suburban public schools.   
      
   >If the same kids with the same parents went to urban public schools,   
   >they'd perform pretty much the same, on average.   
      
   It's comparable income levels. Mexican families tend to be working   
   class, not poor.   
      
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