From: jgrove24@hotmail.com   
      
   On Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:34:07 AM UTC-5, conklin wrote:   
   > "Nick Sandru"  wrote in message   
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   > news:lu8fhu$a5l$1@nicksandru.eternal-september.org...   
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   > > On 09/03/2014 08:17 PM, JG wrote:   
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   > >> On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 7:11:50 AM UTC-5, Nick Sandru wrote:   
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   > >>> On 09/02/2014 03:15 PM, conklin wrote:   
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   > >>>> [...]  I thought that the bad food was the least   
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   > >>>> of the problems in the modern Penn Station.  No/ bad AC is a far   
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   > >>>> bother.  The waiting room reminds me of the IRT #2, minus the bubble   
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   > >>>> gum on   
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   > >>>> the floor.  The call for the DC trains is like a cattle call with so   
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   > >>>> people lined up you can't even GET to the waiting areas.   
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   > >>> Add to that the crowding in the morning hours - especially when two full   
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   > >>> NJT trains arrive at the same platform one after the other and discharge   
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   > >>> 2000+ passengers in the same time. The stairways in the west end of the   
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   > >>> platforms are closed for rebuilding. It may take 10 minutes to get from   
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   > >>> the train to the concourse over the remaining 2 or 3 stairways or   
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   > >> NJT sounds like First Class service compared to Metra-BSMF. They run a   
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   > >> Sunday train with standing passengers and TWO closed cars, and of course   
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   > >> the platform ceiling drips "street ooze" regularly at CUS after rains.   
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   > >> Dodgeing street ooze is a great morning challenge when walking up the   
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   > >> platform on track 2.   
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   > > I would prefer street ooze to the mouse that fell or jumped off a beam in   
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   > > a subway station, landed on my shoulder and got tangled in my hair. It was   
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   > > a challenge for me to extricate the critter without being bitten.   
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   > > Standing passengers - that is something I am familiar with when NJT trains   
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   > > are delayed or cancelled. And I have been through worse than that when I   
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   > > was living in Bucharest, Romania, until the late 1980s. Buses and   
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   > > streetcars were routinely going with open doors and passengers hanging on   
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   > > Nick Sandru   
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   > > Somerville, NJ   
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   > Going to school on the IRT and getting on at the end of the line, there were   
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   > no open seats even there, and very crowded standing-only conditions from   
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   > stop 2 and on to Manhattan.  Basically most people went to work standing the   
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   > whole way.  Normal.   
      
   But not nornal for zone fare based commuter rail trains on a Sunday. And I'd   
   bet that NYMTA doesn't run subways with TWO CLOSED CARS, unless someone had an   
   "accident". Thats why subway riders are called straphangers, and rail   
   commuters are passengers.   
      
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