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   mroberds@att.net to Glen Labah   
   Re: Trains Magazine--"modern streetcar"    
   11 Jul 14 20:22:04   
   
   Glen Labah  wrote:   
   > In article ,   
   > "Adam H. Kerman"  wrote:   
   >> Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >>> On 09-Jul-14 14:39, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Do underground copper cables "wear" and need eventual replacement?   
   >>>   
   >>> Older ones, yes; they weren't very durable.  Newer materials are   
   >>> virtually impervious to water and rodents, and the wires themselves   
   >>> don't wear out.   
   >>   
   >> Oh, I wouldn't say that. The newer thermoplastics used in insulation   
   >> are excellent, but you never know when you'll make something   
   >> attractive to rodents, till you've unfortunately installed quite a   
   >> lot of it then discover the chewing.   
      
   In 2008, the "Fire Protection Research Foundation" did a study on old   
   residential wiring.  Basically, they found houses that were about to be   
   torn down, and got samples of the wiring, receptacles, switches, etc,   
   and tested them.  They didn't talk about rodent damage, though.   
      
   The basic take-away for house wiring is that if it has thermoplastic   
   insulation (starting in about the mid-1950s), it will last forever.   
   (See PDF page 30 or paper page 21 in the below.)   
      
   The report used to be hosted at NFPA, but now I can only find it via   
   archive.org:   
   http://web.archive.org/web/20120227052437/http://www.nfpa.org/as   
   ets/files/PDF/Research/RESAReport.pdf   
   or   
      
   or even   
   http://is.gd/tgoTTs   
      
   The full cite is probably:   
      
   Residential Electrical System Aging Research Project Technical Report   
   July 1, 2008   
   Prepared by: David A. Dini, P.E.  Underwriters Laboratories Inc.   
      
   Obviously, buried wire and cable, or wire and cable in (obMTRA) rail   
   vehicles, will have different problems.   
      
   > Where I work we have a horrible problem with the ethernet cables being   
   > chewed on.  Thankfully, they seem to have stayed away from the power   
   > cables so far.   
      
   Chewing through the insulation on a power cable may be kind of self-   
   limiting...   
      
   Matt Roberds   
      
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