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   Adam H. Kerman to Stephen Sprunk   
   Re: Trains Magazine--"modern streetcar"    
   11 Jul 14 05:46:52   
   
   From: ahk@chinet.com   
      
   Stephen Sprunk  wrote:   
   >On 02-Jul-14 11:57, Robert Heller wrote:   
   >>"Adam H. Kerman"  wrote:   
      
   >>>If the copper pair is in good condition, it's still useful for data   
   >>>and voice needs. Cable distributors providing broadband manage to   
   >>>do it on coax, which is ancient wiring technology too.   
      
   >>Actually, by *world* standards, what the USA Cable distributors (eg   
   >>Comcast and Time Warner) provide is sub-standard. DSL technology is   
   >>EOL (End of Life) -- the equipment is no longer being made or   
   >>supported.   
      
   >It's definitely still being made.  Perhaps some countries' telcos aren't   
   >buying it anymore, but that's a totally different matter.   
      
   >>Copper *IS* becoming a "dead" telecom technology and is pretty much   
   >>dead in most of the *developed* world and is dieing in the   
   >>developing world. It seems to be 'hanging on' in the USA,   
   >>however.   
      
   >The US has a very large installed base of copper, unlike developing   
   >countries, and a lower population density than other developed   
   >countries, which makes switching to fiber more costly.   
      
   >FTTN is a good compromise for our particular case.   
      
   Oh, look: Lucent got 10 Gbs over a copper pair, 30 meters in length.   
   This puts the copper/fiber node at the pole line, with a copper drop   
   between the pole line and the home, avoiding Verizon FiOS fiber to the   
   home model, which proved to be uneconomical.   
      
   AT&T Uverse nodes are 30 times that distance to the home, and offers   
   45 Mbps, where available (which isn't terribly many places), and it's   
   a lot more expensive than cable broadband.   
      
   http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/bell-labs-   
   ushes-10gbps-over-copper-telephone-lines/   
      
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