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|    Pablo Gener to IB Joe    |
|    Maduro's regime is down    |
|    10 Jan 26 15:21:01    |
      TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A47       MSGID: 4:900/102 21fcb141       TZUTC: -0300       You keep on assuming things because you BELIEVE what you're told. Outside the       "west" (US/Canada), from SOUTH America (also named "america"...), things look       terribly different.              On 09 Jan 2026, IB Joe said the following...        IJ> So, in comes Trump... Over 100K people die from Fentanyl and drug        IJ> overdoses. He did what George W did... Declared the Drug Cartels Narco        IJ> Terrorist and went to work for the people.       The Government of Venezuela *is not* a durg cartel.               IJ> Blowing up drug boats and stopping a Narco terrorist group        I say again: the *Government of Venezuela* *IS NOOOT...* a narco terrorist       group. Why would the US go into Venezuelan sovereign waters and blow up a       boat that's supposedly carrying drugs? Why don't they let the Venezuelan       state handle taht? Why don't they wait for the venezuelan drug boats 200miles       into their own sovereign waters and blow them up there? Don't you ask       yourself these things?        IJ> from profiting off their oil reserves.       About profiting from oil reserves, it's the State of Venezuela that's       profiting off oil reserves, not a drug cartel. And that's what's supposed to       happen with natural resources and sovereign states. Why *the hell* would the       US steal away tanker ships carrying the profit that should go to the state of       the country that exported those resources??        IJ>         IJ> Trump said that China and Russia are in Venezuela... There was a video of        IJ> someone from there confirming this.        I don't understand, what's wrong about three countries doing business       together? As long as those business are lawful and beneficial to each of the       parties involved, why should the US bother? Does the whole world *have to*       ask Washington who to do deals with?        IJ>               IJ> There is an old Doctrine called the Monroe Doctrine, look it up,        I know the Monroe Doctrine, I read about it long before Trump was president.       It said something along the lines of "America for the Americans", and it       proposed that whenever a sovereign state within the subcontinent was attacked       by an out-of-continent force, the US would intervene and *always* side with       the neighbour under attack. Well guess what: I know first hand how much of an       ass-wipe the US has made of that same doctrine, when it is an old friend that       attacks the neighbour. I happen to be from Argentina, that was declared war       upon by England in 1982 and attacked argentine armed forces fighting to       regain control of a territory that was stolen from us 150 years earlier. Who       did the US side with back then? If you can't guess it, I'll spell it for you:       England.        IJ> Trump has adopted this Doctrine and it has since been renamed to        IJ> the Donroe Doctrine.        It "hasn't been" renamed... it was Trump himself that did that, and       apperantly because he's a huge ego-maniac, going through a phase of slapping       his own name on anything he can close enough... Come on, Joe, you're a smart       guy, but I'm smart too, we both know it wasn't that "is has been renamed"...       have some care with how things are expressed...        IJ>         IJ> Trump has has said that he doesn't want any of the US adversaries in the        IJ> West. Kind of makes sense. Russia can influence Europe, China can         IJ> influence Asia...        These are things *any* president can *SAY*, but to go as far as to cross       other countries borders and do shit there... what gives you the right?!?!                IJ>        IJ> I'm a wait and see guy... makes sense.         IJ>         IJ> Today Venezuela has a chance to be free. TODAY the current leaders of        IJ> Venezuela release all the Political Prisoners (In the News Today).        Venezuela is not "more free" because of US invasion and political       intervention. What about having Maduro be their president? Are they free to       have that? What if Venezuela goes through an election, and have Maduro in the       ballots, and say... hey... Maduro fucking won by a lot the election, can they       have the guy be president? Who *the fuck* is the US!!!! as a country!!!!! to       tell another country who they can have or have not as president??? Even Trump       going as far as telling Machado that if she'd given him the Nobel Prize, the       US would have had her assume as president, can you grasp how mad and bogus       all of this is?? Do you think latin american countries have no history? no       law? no institutions? no states? no way to conduct themselves?? It's injury       over the insult, and every minute it keeps building up.        IJ> Venezuelan Dad will see his day in court and things might work out for         IJ> those people.         IJ>               IJ> As an aside... Cuba is on the brink of collapse because of Trump.        IJ> During the Venezuelan Dad's arrest there were 40 people who died...        The didn't "die", they were *shot dead* by the invading troops that had no       right to be there in the first place, *because!!* those cubans and venezuelan       security officers stood in the way between the invaders and Maduro and his       wife. They fought and have *their lives* to defend the Constitution of       Venezuela.               IJ> 34 were Cuban. Apparently V.D. gave Cuba, I heard, 100K barrels of oil        IJ> each month in exchange for security and intel.       Again, why *the hell* is the US have to have anything to say with the       business two sovereign countries do between each other?        IJ>         IJ> Daddy Trump is blocking those oil shipments and as a result the Cuban        IJ> government is in crisis and will probably fall sometime this year. This        IJ> is good news for the Cubans...        IJ>        How can the US messing around with your sovereign commercial decisions be good       for the people of your country? Why does the US have to intervene with another       countries commercial sovereign decisions to do any good for the people of that       country? Why can't the US offer a *better* deal than the ones they're doing       with other countries the US doesn't like?              Pol Malvinas.              Islas Malvinas, siempre Argentinas!              ... Islas Malvinas, siempre Argentinas.              --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/64)        * Origin: The Vault BBS (4:900/102)       SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 93/1 105/81 106/201 128/187 129/14 305 153/7715       SEEN-BY: 154/110 218/700 226/30 227/114 229/110 112 134 206 275 300       SEEN-BY: 229/307 317 400 426 428 470 700 705 266/512 280/464 291/111       SEEN-BY: 292/854 320/219 322/757 341/66 342/200 396/45 460/58 633/280       SEEN-BY: 712/848 880/1 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 904/0 13 905/0 5075/35       PATH: 900/102 902/26 229/426           |
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