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   August Abolins to Alan Ianson   
   beyond March 19 2038   
   11 Feb 20 19:50:21   
   
   MSGID: 2:221/360.0 5e42e95c   
   REPLY: 1:153/757 5e42acef   
   PID: JamNNTPd/OS2 1.3 20191227   
   TID: GE/2 1.2   
   CHRS: UTF-8 2   
   TZUTC: 0200   
   On 11/02/2020 8:16 a.m., Alan Ianson : August Abolins wrote:   
      
   According to the TZUTC, you wrote that just after 5am! You certainly   
   start your day very early. I have a couple of house-broken cats that   
   wake me up between 3a and 5a to be let out, each at their own time!  But   
   I promptly settle back to sleep.   
      
      
    AI>When I first joined Fidonet in 1995 those diff's were essential.   
    AI>The compressed nodelists were 1.5MB and I really didn't want to   
    AI>transfer that on the 2400 baud modem I had at the time..   
      
   I used a 2400 baud that came with my computer only briefly. But, by the   
   time I joined Fidonet with my own bbs I had a 14.4 kbit/s internal   
   modem. The increase in speed seemed amazing at the time.   
      
   I really enjoyed utilizing simultaneous upload/download. Was that with   
   Ymodem/G...?  I don't quite remember.  It was cool to "chat" with   
   another sysop during the upload/download session too.   
      
   1.5MB seems rather large for a text-based nodelist. Were you relying on   
   one of the non-zip archives?  But the math seems right:   
      
   Today, approx 1000 nodes = 50K   
   Peak, approx 40000 nodes = 2000K or 2meg   
      
      
    AI>Can OXP not skip processing the diff and just compile a new   
    AI>nodelist?   
      
   Processing the diff is actually preferred.   
      
   As I wrote in my original message, OXP does not seem to be designed to   
   offer automatic full nodelist detection upon arrival.  But that's ok.   
   The diff processing works and is pretty magical - now that I've learned   
   that there are different versions of the "same" nodelist and nodediffs   
   depending on the Zone you pull them from.  I had no idea.   
      
      
    AA>>Y2K-broken programs have probably left the FTN scene gracefully.   
      
    AI>I hope so.. but we do have pktdate should the need arise..   
      
   That reminds me, I recently discovered a date problem when I used   
   Tommi's BBS (ie logged in manually) to send a netmail few weeks ago. His   
   Concord BBS software produced a future date of 2056.  LOL   
      
     Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2056 21:45:16 GMT   
     Message-ID: <5473$netmail@JamNNTPd>   
     References: <5470$netmail@JamNNTPd>   
     X-JAM-From: August Abolins <2:221/360>   
     X-JAM-To: Martin Foster <2:310/31.3>   
     X-JAM-MSGID: 2:221/360 1ced0c7d   
     X-JAM-REPLYID: 2:310/31.3 f99352d3   
     X-JAM-PID: Concord 0.01 Beta-30d OS/2  ser#cc38c58d   
      
      
   I should drop by and see if he had a chance to hack netmails with pktdate.   
      
      
    AA>>..will many 32-bit   
    AA>>programs that rely on dates (like this OXP) expire on March 19   
    AA>>2038 03:14:07 UTC?   
      
    AI>I don't think they'll expire but the dates they display might be   
    AI>wonky.   
      
   It's really fun to hack a fix and witness the magic. But it's more fun   
   when things run right the first time.   
      
      
    AI>I think the OpenXP developers are still developing, or at   
    AI>least maintaining OXP so I think OXP users will be OK. I'm not so   
    AI>sure about some other software.   
      
   I never really thought that I would warm up to OXP, it being a dos/texty   
   interface requiring mostly keyboard action.  But its message search   
   capabilities are very good, among other things.   
      
      
    AI>There were 2020 problems in Mystic that were quickly fixed. These   
    AI>sorts of niggles can show up unexpectedly.   
      
   Lots of fun to be had!   
      
      
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