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    duke  wrote:   
      
   > >No, atheists say "I don't believe in god(s)"   
   >    
   > Sorry, atheist say "NO God".   
   > Agnostics say "I'm not sure".   
      
   If Catholics get to determine the meaning of "atheist" then we should    
   get the right to determine the meaning of Catholicism as mass delusion.   
      
      
   A-THEISM merely means LACK of, or absence of, theism, just as    
   A-GNOSTICISM merely means LACK of, or absence of, knowledge.   
      
    Atheists merely say that they do not believe.    
      
   And as atheism is not a claim about whether any gods actually do exist    
   or not, it has no need of proof either way.   
      
   On the other hand, those theists who claim that their notions of gods    
   are actual are each claiming something that requires objective physical    
   evidence to establish it, but for which they have no objective physical    
   evidence.      
      
   To reprise:    
      
   LACK of belief in the existence of something, as in atheism,  is only    
   problematic when there is a plentiful supply of objective physical    
   evidence that that thing actually exists. Which is NOT the case.   
      
   PRESENCE of belief in the existence of something, as in theism,  is only    
   problematic when there is a total lack of objective physical evidence    
   that that thing actually exists. Which IS the case.    
      
      
      
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