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   Hello Rob Swindell!   
      
   ** On Monday 07.02.22 - 18:08, you wrote to me:   
      
    >> "I still have some vinyl records and an expensive turntable   
    >> with a couple of premium cartridges. I meant to pull it out and   
    >> digitize the albums that I don't have on CD or otherwise.   
    >> However I don't miss the surface noise, even on recordings   
    >> without any inevitable scratches; the precision and delicacy   
    >> required to place the needle; the pre-cleaning of the record   
    >> and the wiping of the needle before each play; and, the   
    >> repetitive, annoying, sound made at the end of the album as the   
    >> needle idled near the center waiting to be relieved of its, and   
    >> my, misery. No nostalgia here."   
      
    RS> Agreed. And there's really no additinoal fidelity there,   
    RS> in fact quite the opposite: measurably less dynamic range   
    RS> and frequency response.   
      
   That might be true on paper, but the actual listening     
   experience can be different.  I remember when the first CD     
   players came out, they made every disc sound terrible. It was     
   something to do with the implementation of the converters/    
   sampling.   
      
   I have some albums that sound much better than their CD     
   counterparts to this day.   
      
   I don't see why my friend whom I quoted has a problem with     
   "surface noise" on LPs that don't even have scratches. Maybe he     
   can't stand the initial "silent" noise when cueing up the     
   beginning of an LP and the noise at the end.  He told me that     
   that his turntable did not feature an auto-cue mechanism nor an     
   auto-lift for the tonearm. Those were options for his high-end     
   machine.   
      
   I started buying CDs *before* I had a player of my own. But I     
   had a chance to play them on other people's CD players. Most of     
   the time they sounded terrible! When I auditioned the same     
   discs on later-generation "better" players at the hi-shops,     
   they sounded great.   
      
   My first player was the Sony 505ESD (with a dual D/A converter     
   and digital-OUT). It was around $500-$700 in late 80's dollars.     
   (I still have it, but it started to develop skipping issues     
   after 15 years of use.)  Some people are listing theirs for     
   over $500 on ebay right now!  But I digress..   
      
      
    RS> I think most of the preference for vinyl comes from the   
    RS> positive emotions of the memories that the physical   
    RS> experience of handling vinyl records brings. I get this   
    RS> reaction just *holding* a 12" album/sleeve. I don't even   
    RS> need to play the record! :-) --   
      
   LOL.  I don't stop at bemusing the LP cover like you do.  I'll     
   will certainly not hesitate to give the LP a spin.   
      
   But how do you explain the rise in LP sales apparently amongst     
   a NEW generation of listeners who don't have "emotions of the     
   memories" reference?   My guess that the rise is dominated     
   primarily by people who grew up in the 50's-80's when LPs were     
   still prominent - and this soon will fade.   
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