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|    George Pope to Joe Mackey    |
|    Responsibilty (was:Re: Inventions)    |
|    07 Apr 22 10:15:48    |
   
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   > CP wrote --   
   >> Those voting against the "ilegals" are doing grwat -- they use them for   
   >> cheap(beliow legal minwage) in their farms or estates   
   > People will always try and find the cheapest labour available. (Now if   
   > someone has needed skills, talents, etc that's another story). But for   
   > mundane dirty work its those who will work for less.   
      
   I apply, occasionally, for the entry level jobs, willing to accept minwage,    
   just to have positive cash flow for my time.   
      
   I let them know of my added value during the interview, but that tends to   
   knock me out of the running. I prefer to dfeal dirctly with the owner of a    
   propeership, who can evaluate me for my monetary value to him, & accept that    
   I'm worth more than the others. In my current job, I've never had to ask for    
   araise, as he just gives them to me on occasion. (he doesnt believe in giving    
   blanket raises juust for existing in the company for X time; neither do I    
   believe in taking his money without having earned it - my policy is to give    
   more than I'm paid for. Only asn owner can recognize this. (he even said   
   once, when giving me the full day off with pay, when I only asked for 4   
   hours, without pay: "I see what you do, George, how you arrive early & stay   
   late, & don't leave work for the next shift like the others do."   
      
   I don't even consider those extras, per se-- just how I operate.   
      
   > In the South, and to to some extent in the north, at one time it was   
   > slavery for blacks and indentured servants for white's. With indentured   
   > workers   
   > after a period of time they were free, unlike slaves.   
      
   Hard times for all but the landed nobility.   
      
   > While the South kept slaves, the north (who also had slaves) had waves of   
   > immigrants over the years (the Irish, the Italians, Eastern Europeans, etc)   
   > who gladly worked for next to nothing since it was better than nothing and   
   > better than where they left.   
      
   I know the North did, unlike many I talk with, who think the North was   
   pristine regarding slavery, ignorimng how thefounding farthers all had slaves,   
   & even Lincoln at one time, & he was quoted as saying slavery was essential,   
   but thety hjust dion't realize thar his later anti-slavery stance was more a   
   matter of political expedience than personal conviction.   
      
   I certainly don't care either way -- he's long dead, as is legal slavery.   
      
   > Those are now replaced by illegals from the southern border.   
   > The Irish, etc were all legal though and not comparing them to illegals.   
      
   True enough; then there were yhe Italians, wiling to do any greunt job just   
   to ghave a foot on the ground in America, but there existed much   
   anti-Italian sentiment after WW2, & signs would say "Help wanted; No n*ggers   
   or Italians"   
      
   Iacocca detailed how this affected his father when he was young & they were   
   all new to America.   
      
   I'm surprised they didn't say "No Germans" as Germany was more a direct   
   threat to America & her allies than Italy.   
      
   > And I am of a mixed mind about term limits.   
   > In the abstract we have term limits every two, four and six years were we   
   > vote the bad ones out. The trouble is after an election or two they are the   
   > only ones the voters know about and after giving out "free money" one way or   
   > another to the voters keeps t   
      
   I like that our mayor here has been in for 11+ ters, because he is re-elected    
   by popular acclaim on his merits, not on pork barrel politics.   
      
   > I was talking to a coworker the other day who getting a weekly Covid   
   >test "because its free". I told him no it wasn't, his tax money is paying for   
   > it. He never thought of it that way. ==sigh==   
      
   Same up here, where it's all "free"; I have toeducate young & old howwe all pay   
       
   for every bit of it, so please don't misuse it or overuse, just because "it's    
   free"; I'm thought of as a kook by these young & old alike. . oh well. My dad    
   raised me to be honest & follow high standards of morals & personal ethics.   
      
   I've seen a privately done study that compared living costs of Canada vs USA   
   & it was very similar -- where you guys have big medical costs, we have   
   higher taxation costs.   
      
   >> it's simpler to man up & take personal responsibilty   
   > Again, totally concur.   
      
   Sadly, some thing the rich, including politicians, asre universally exempt    
   from. :'(    
      
   Couple taglines:   
   First thing we do is kill all the lawyers --Shakespeare I prefer:   
   First thing we do is jail all the bankers. --G.Pope   
      
   > I am no more responsible for what my ancestors may or may not have done,   
   > than some kid in Germany or Japan is responsible for WWII.   
      
   Yup, but they still suffer the blame; those still praticing Naziisn (or Neo    
   Nazis as they bil t hemselves) dfeserve all the hate due Hitler if he were    
   still alive, but the majority of Germans are great people & their cooking is    
   some of my favourite in thre world!   
      
   >> & if they can';t find any, they're not averse to making some thing up out of   
   > whole cloth, or to manipulate people or events so as to make them more   
   > newsworthy.   
   > And when found out they drop that like it never happened.   
   > Its like Emily Latella on the old Saturday Night Live show in the '70s,   
   > when it was funny.   
   > Gilda Radner played this frumpy old woman who was upset about something   
   > and when found she didn't know what she was talking about would reply, "Never   
   > mind". And the media simply moves on to something else.   
      
   I have seen her doing that bit some time since. . .   
      
   It's juystt hat simple, slide the camera off someone & start a new   
   conversation with even t he homeless guy there, about anything. I see it done   
   regularly on today's news. & comics sare still spoofing them for it -- even   
   pouplar music, like Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" taking on the disgusting   
   practices of buttonholing victims to ask for their feelings ("Your 3 kids   
   were all brutally raped & murdered, Mrs. Jones; how do you feel about that &   
   whomever did it?")   
      
   You pull that crap on me, you're getting punched; I don't care what will   
   happen to me for it, either -- someone has to make the etiquette point clearly   
   & set an example.   
      
   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQppLas38uI&ab_channel=SaturdayNightLive   
   > for a couple of her comments.   
      
   I'll watch just for the enjoyment of the comedy craft well done. I took a   
   break & just wayched it -- pure gold!   
      
   F*** cancer for what it did to the Lady Radner.   
      
   >> They've madesome errors, like people pointing out how the big crowd had   
   >> du8plicate groups of people pasted in here & there. Or when shadows indicate   
   > the stated time is incorrect.   
   > I am reminded of a live remote stand up of a reporter talking about a big   
   > flood somewhere, all sorts of problems and such, how terrible it was and in   
   > the background a man walks past and the water is only about ankle deep.   
      
   Imaine!   
      
   & that child found dead on the shore; the reporters were out quickly to    
   highlight the cruelty of Europe in not giving sanctuary to re-branded    
   terrorists. Diud you notice -- no footprints near the child -- don't people    
   automatically run to help if they see a child lying on the sand, washed up on    
   shore? Nah, jhusat stat far back & call the media, who likewise stay far back.   
      
   I've read many a correspondant who stated, on the record, how such & such   
   news agency rewrote their investigative reporting on a key topic, to reword   
   it to fit the official storyline. :P    
      
   Everything can be doctored. & a lot of it is.   
      
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