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     CP wrote --   
      
   > Those voting against the "ilegals" are doing grwat -- they use them for    
   > cheap(beliow legal minwage) in their farms or estates   
      
     People will always try and find the cheapest labour available.  (Now if   
   someone has needed skills, talents, etc that's another story).  But for   
   mundane dirty work its those who will work for less.   
     In the South, and to to some extent in the north, at one time it was   
   slavery for blacks and indentured servants for white's.  With indentured   
   workers   
   after a period of time they were free, unlike slaves.   
     While the South kept slaves, the north (who also had slaves) had waves of   
   immigrants over the years (the Irish, the Italians, Eastern Europeans, etc)   
   who gladly worked for next to nothing since it was better than nothing and   
   better than where they left.   
      Those are now replaced by illegals from the southern border.   
      The Irish, etc were all legal though and not comparing them to illegals.    
      
   > I say there's a core set of costs that are must haves for everyone to    
   > participate in, federally, (national defense, of course, & minimally   
   required amnounts to operate the government itself    
      
     Agreed.   
      
   > & for rasises for pols -- they can propose a raise bill, but it only goes   
   after the next election, so if it's a bad move, the voters can directly   
   respond to it.   
      
     Absolutely.   
      
   > I mean, for you & me, raises go with merits & proven value to the boss.  Why   
   should these yutzes be excepted?   
      
     Totally agree.   
     And I am of a mixed mind about term limits.   
     In the abstract we have term limits every two, four and six years were we   
   vote the bad ones out.  The trouble is after an election or two they are the   
   only ones the voters know about and after giving out "free money" one way or   
   another to the voters keeps t   
      I was talking to a coworker the other day who getting a weekly Covid   
   test "because its free".  I told him no it wasn't, his tax money is paying for   
   it.  He never thought of it that way.  ==sigh==   
      
   > it's simpler to man up & take personal responsibilty    
      
     Again, totally concur.   
     I am no more responsible for what my ancestors may or may not have done,   
   than some kid in Germany or Japan is responsible for WWII.   
      
   > & if they can';t find any, they're not averse to making some thing up out of   
   whole cloth, or to manipulate people or events so as to make them more   
   newsworthy.   
      
     And when found out they drop that like it never happened.   
     Its like Emily Latella on the old Saturday Night Live show in the '70s,   
   when it was funny.   
     Gilda Radner played this frumpy old woman who was upset about something   
   and when found she didn't know what she was talking about would reply, "Never   
   mind".  And the media simply moves on to something else.   
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQppLas38uI&ab_channel=SaturdayNightLive    
   for a couple of her comments.   
       
   > They've madesome errors, like people pointing out how the big crowd had    
   > du8plicate groups of people pasted in here & there. Or when shadows indicate   
   the stated time is incorrect.    
      
     I am reminded of a live remote stand up of a reporter talking about a big   
   flood somewhere, all sorts of problems and such, how terrible it was and in   
   the background a man walks past and the water is only about ankle deep.   
      Joe   
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