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   > CP wrote --   
   >> Yup, & the man willing to 'climb the highest mountain'(etc), who is desired,   
   > but has little wealth, shows himself at least willing to sacrifice & work for   
   > her whim/happiness.   
   > Then the woman (speaking in broad generalities) complains he is always   
   > working and not spending enough time with her.   
      
   Yup, before & after marriage.   
      
   Before: "He takes my breath away!"   
   After: "You're smothering me."   
      
   > Then there the women who marry a man to have a kid, then dumps the man   
   > and wants alimony to support them.  Or the man merely as a sperm donor.   
      
   Thank you, Murphy Brown for putting this into everyone's minds as an option.   
   .  .   
      
   > And men are often the same in this disposable society, who after a while   
   > look for an upgrade to the current model.   
      
   Yup -- proof is at a wedding -- we're all dressed alike, so if she changes   
   her  mind, erverybody takes one step left & the ceremony continues unchecked.   
      
   As Seinfeld asked, "If 'he' is the best man, why is she marrying HIM?"   
      
   >> Funny thing, some demonisers point to the Bible as proof that this is the   
   >only rioght way, yet the Bible shows the exact oposite, in a daughter choosing   
   >her husbhand, in spite of her father's stated wishes & even the father told he   
   > suitor, "It will depend   
   > Yep.   
   > One can prove or disprove anything by proof-texting, picking a verse   
   > here, another there, etc with no context.   
      
   I go by those who have an unbroken chain of interpretation -- the People of   
   the Book (Jewishj practicers of Judaism)   
      
   Nopbody believes that daughters can be married off to whomever tyhe father    
   wants to, against her wishes, exceptr splinter groups who crreate oddball    
   rules/allowances just to insisr thart they are new & different -- like the   
   sect of Mormons who force-marry barely puberscent girls to old men.   
      
   Joseph made a temporary allowance for polyamory, to account for the   
   incredible  losses of males in the Civil War -- later this was disallowed (the   
   US  government required this before UT could become a state)   
      
   For me, it says what it says & the Bible means what it means. Certainly you   
   can apply the parts that are uiniversal to any time or circumstance, as it's    
   intended.   
      
   This is why Jews don't believe in getting minor medical stuff done on the    
   Sabbath, but if it's to preserve a life, any rule of the Sabbath can be set    
   aside. & must be.   
      
      
   >> She knows I might be bribed with enough sheep, goats, & oxen, of course!   
   > *LOL*   
   > And how much of a dowry do you have for her?    
      
   Nada; her future husband gets her -- if he doesn't consider that a treasure   
   in  itself, then he's not worthy, obviously.   
   --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5   
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