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   Message 22,876 of 24,715   
   George Pope to JOE MACKEY   
   Re: WW II   
   24 Oct 21 16:23:23   
   
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    >   My chain of command is short.  There's my captain then the owner of the   
    > security company.   
    >   In parking I am directly under my civilian boss, who reports to the chief   
    > of police who reports to the VP of the university.    
    >   When I worked in produce for 15 years in the '80s and early '90s, there   
    > was just the owner, myself and another fella.   
      
   That's acceptable, to me, when the chain is hand selected by the owner for hgis   
   reasons.  I'm not overly feeling mny current chain of command connector, but   
   not up to me. My boss has stated, & after hearing my thoughts on the matter,   
   affirmed his decision that he considers this fellow good & proper in that   
   position, so I'm back to "yes, sir" & I cooperate like he was my first choice   
   as well.   
      
   I still have options. (I always do, because that's how myt life works); I'm   
   choosing to maintain a peaceful & respectful working relationship (feels better   
   who you make it a personal choice, I find *L*)   
      
    > > I dn't cswre whjat duities I have, so long as the clock is running & I'm   
    > > getting paid in full(amount as agreed) & on time.  Every job is basically   
    > > "other duties as required." & I'm good with that.   
      
    >   And that covers a lot of territory!  :)   
    >   When I'm on the clock I give it my all.  Even if its just warming a   
    > chair.  :)   
      
   I like variety, so a lt of territory is just fine. If I run out of "other   
   duties as defined" I'm quite capable of finding or creating more!   
      
   Bottom line: nobody pays me to do nothing.   
      
    > > > the emperor said unless the blockadse was lifted, they were going to   
    > > > attack the USA's Pacif naval base on 7 December of that year (1941)   
      
    > >  >   Citation please.   
      
    > > 'twas a book I read back in '85 or so, written by a retired US 5-star   
    > > General, & that's literally all I can come up with as a citation. Oh,   
    > > also, it was written within five to ten years of the end of the war.   
      
    >   Did he cite anything or was it just rumour and the like?   
      
   It was a long time ago & I was new to reading with a thought towards formally   
   referencing material (still am, actually -- I just read to learn; if it comes   
   up, I say what I've learned, usually without any clue as to from where.)   
      
    >   Hitler's alliances weren't worth the paper they were written on.   
      
   Well, that's self-evident! ;)    
      
    >   IMO Hitler had planned to conqueror Russia, which would put him on   
    > Japan's doorstep.     
      
   Of course he planned to conquer Russia -- thus his betrayal of their treaty.    
      
   I agree the temptation to keep pushing against those he considers subhuman &   
   deserving of conquering & killing would've rapidly become toomuch for his   
   megalomania.   
      
    >   To Hitler the Japanese were a lesser people (as were all non-Aryans) and   
    > used them as merely strange political bedfellows, which would change once he   
    > had Europe, the middle east and Russia under his control.   
      
   True. What gets me is how the Italians were mere pawns to the Germans, even   
   though nominally "white" & how the mid 1900s saw much anti-Italian sentimewnt   
   from white America (including "Help wanted / Italians Need Not Apply" which   
   really gives great credit for those who grew up out of that, including   
   Iacocca(of automobile history's fame) to great success.   
      
   America can be brutal to newcomeres, makimg them jump through hoops for   
   acceptance, but the rewards for those who do are greater than life would've   
   been back where they or their parents came from.   
      
    > > Plus, Japan attaxcked us on the same date   
      
    >   Along with several other countries in the Pacific.   
      
   From the same group?  They'd already been busy in the South Pacific, which   
   slowed way down after December-1941 & the USA's declaratoin of war on them.   
      
   You still hold Guam(Now home of textile sweat shops making clothing for   
   American corporations) from then.   
      
    > > We did sam,e as yuou, & rounded up all Japanese on the coazt & put them in   
    > > internment camps in the Interior.   
      
    >   I can see both sides of that.  One it was racist against all Japanese.   
    >   The other side, which I lean towards, is for their protection.   
      
   It was only stated as the first. They were deemed a threat strictly by virtue   
   of being Japanese (not based on actual traitorous activities on any of their   
   part)   
      
   Your second view certyainly follows wqith what we've seen since, with Arabic-   
   looking American citizens being beaten after any kind of terrorist activity   
   (e.g. OK City, which was done by a purely white trash Caucasian, as it turned   
   out.)   
      
   No, I don't use white trash as a generic or racial term -- it refers to him &   
   other pieces of human garbage who think their being white makes them superior &   
   special.   
      
   I like how Jeff Foxworthy explained it:   
   Blue Collar, White Trash & Rednecks are put down constantly, buy think about   
   it:  blue collar meanas a laborer.  Rednecks labour so much under a hot sun   
   they get sunburned, white trash are laborers whose industry(mining, often)   
   dried up & were abandoned to their new poverty.   
      
   The Red, The White, & The Blue, they're who made & make America what it is:   
   great!   
      
    >   Popular opinion was highly anti-Japanese (and had been for some time on   
    > the West Coast) and it might not have taken much to start trouble for them.   
      
   Star Trek, of course, was put forth very mucgh with the intent of showing   
   America(Federation) as good heroes, & the Japanese(Klingons) as evl warmongers,   
   with a nice blend of racially inclusive hippie ideology thrown in.   
      
    >   Part of the problem on the west coast was people wanting the land owned   
    > by the Japanese (immigrants from Japan, the Issei and their children, the   
    > Nise).   
      
   Yup, greed never is faer away from motivations.   
      
    >   Plus, there were labour problems with the Issei and Nise willing to work   
    > for lower pay, thus reducing American wages.   
      
   Because they were raised to beoleve that, even though they're a superior race,   
   they need do whatever work is nee3ded to support themselves & their families.   
      
   Amereicans tend to think(on average) they're superior/chosen people but wo9n't   
   stoop to do work they feel should only be done by slaves and immigrants.   
      
   When corportations & governments want to distract peopke, they'll point othese   
   jobs tyhat mnobodt ever wanted as where the problems arise from.   
      
   Like how Hitler, whose people forced the Jews to run the banks(for no personal   
   gain), as loaning at interest to your own people was sinful, per the Bible, so   
   force the Jews to do it for you, then collect all the interest for yo0urselves.   
   Hitler pointed to Jews running the banks as the source of all of the common   
   German's troubles.   
      
   People can be sh*tty, but people can be most excellent, too, & that's who I   
   look for to bump(virtual or otherwise) shoulders with    
      
    >   With the Japanese gone people could get their land and property for   
    > little or nothing.   
    >   Its all rather complicated.   
      
   Not so much, really, I'd say you summed it up right there. :)    
      
   The Catholic Church started this: levying charges on people, so their propertty   
   cvould be seized. This is 100% of the reason why suicide was ever a capital   
   crime.   
      
   If you suicided, your property became forfeit to the Church & their local   
   suzerein partners, plus you weren't buried in the church cemetary, leaving that   
   plot to sell to others.   
      
   Leads to sarcastic cartoons like the guy on a ledge, about to jump & someone   
   asking the cop what he's going to do, next panel has the cop lifting a rifle to   
   his shoulder, saying, "I'm about to prevent a crime."   
      
   Your friend,   
      
   <+]:{)}   
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