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    >    Cyberpope wrote --   
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    > > This is the substance of endless non-completable debates. My response is   
    > > usually "Let's agree to disagree &/or leave it open for further evidence"   
      
    >   That's the reason we avoid modern politics (and religion) in this echo.   
      
   Not that WW2 is necessarily "current" ;) But I get ya. . . :)    
      
   I debarte ideas, not emotions. & that's what I believe you & I have been   
   successfully doing exactly that in this thread.   
      
    > > I may not not always be right, but I'm never wrong.   
      
    >   Had a boss who thought that way.   :)   
      
   A lot of bosses think that way; I only think that way with the below added, to   
   prove I'm being a cheeky monkey more than serous.   
      
   If I was a manager & hasd a lot of people under me, my desk would have the   
   sign:   
      
   Rules   
   1) The boss(me) is always right   
   2) If the boss is wrong, see Rule 1.   
   3) If you have information otherwise to #1, I will appreciate it   
      
   My current boss (the owner) had no door onhis office, it was his desk, laid   
   across tacks of cinderblocks.  He'd say "my door is always open, because I   
   don't have one there!"   
      
   & eaely in my time there he told me, "If I ever ask you why you acted a   
   particular way in a case, I'm not micromamaging or looking to criticize -- I   
   want to learn things we can all use knowing."   
      
   I did cxome up with as methodology that worked very well in certain situations   
   & he'd often forward someone's case t me to try to complete it. (rather than   
   just hijacking my methods)   
      
   This is why I prefer working directly for owners -- they know &   
   respect(&reward) my value; & so muych can be left umsaid.  When they dhuffle   
   rthe scvhedule ot accommodate my reqiest, I alreeady know I owe him one & he   
   jhas it on account.  With the rest he had to explicitly say so every time (&   
   these weren't young kids!)   
      
   Of course, one readon he hired me is because I've been a business   
   owner/operator, so I "get it." & we can have conversations on topics way above   
   my pay grade, as he spitballs ideas with me.   
      
   Best boss & job, ever.   
      
      
   worst job, but a good boss, was chicken catching (all night in a chicken poop   
   filled barn, carching thousands of chickens to give to the swamper to load into   
   cagres m the flatbed, to go to the slaughterhouse.   
      
   Get home covered in chickensh*t, & coughing it up in dust form until I chug a   
   nice cold beer at 7am, usually lying in my deep dish bathtub as hot as I can   
   stand it to soak & down my beer in peace. Occasionally my cat would jump in   
   with me & paddle around for a bit. . .   
      
   But a good boss & coweorkers made it surviveable, even at $5/hour!   
      
   Cleaning up the rabbniot slaughter room at another job wasn't tops for career   
   pride, but I got paid on time & in full. I did my job quickly & efficiently, &   
   then walked 5 miles home every 3-4 Saturdays.   
      
   I dn't cswre whjat duities I have, so long as the clock is running & I'm   
   getting paid in full(amount as agreed) & on time.  Every job is basically   
   "other duties as required." & I'm good with that.   
      
   Mostly I jockey to where I'm self managing & just get stuff done on my time &   
   terms. & I'm always added value to the company.  No other way, in my worldview.   
   It's frustrating there's so few, like me, left.   
      
    > > the emperor said unless the blockadse was lifted, they were going to   
    > > attack the USA's Pacif naval base on 7 December of that year (1941)   
      
    >   Citation please.   
      
   'twas a book I read back in '85 or so, written by a retired US 5-star General,   
   & that's literally all I can come up with as a citation. Oh, also, it was   
   written within five to ten years of the end of the war.   
      
    > > Japan was an ally of Germany, but this was a separate issue & not done in   
    > > supportr of Hitler's designs on global dominance.    
      
    >   Hitler would have the west, Japan the east.   
    >   Before Hitler could attack the Americans, he had to first secure Europe   
    > for staging, supplies, etc.   
      
   No argument with these facts.  But Japan wasn't helping in Hitler's   
   domain(Europe( & he wa focused on his activities there he wasn't doing didly   
   for Japan.  We saw, with Russia, how much Hitler's alliance agreements were   
   worth.  Pretty sure Japan noted this.  I see it more as they were historical   
   allies, like Canada & USA.   
      
   When you're in trouble (like 7-Dec-1941) we waste no time or men getting in   
   there to help. But in other war effortrs of yours, we don't feel any   
   obligations.  Wjhen Pearl Harbnor was attacked, we eclared war on Japan within   
   6 hours.  Your Congress debated it fasr longer befopre accepting to declare   
   war.   
      
   We got your back! Plus, Japan attaxcked us on the same date, because they knew   
   we're allies & Canadian Navy isd well placed to cut them off on their way home.   
   (check any map/globe), so they bombed our western naval bases & a couple mahjor   
   radio  towers, presumably to limit our ability to get news from you.  We were   
   attacked just before you were, but we received news of the attack on you   
   aolmost immedately on military radio freqs (those idiots bombed two big   
   civilian radio towers!)   
      
   We did sam,e as yuou, & rounded up all Japanese on the coazt & put them in   
   internment camps in the Interior. We just recently settled another civil claim   
   brought on by those who lost land then thatr is now worth multi millions, if   
   not billions. . .  The compensation, though, was a pittance, based on the value   
   then.   
      
   George Takei has ghone on record as stating he has no resentment over being   
   rouneded up with his family & put into prison camps.  He said it was sound   
   military strategy in the face of war.   
      
   That counts for more, to me, than 5,000 whining middle class guiltmongers.   
      
    > > See above. It was a clear date, but, yes,no time on it -- I would've been   
    > > ready for 2am, myself, not expecting it to begin past dawn.   
      
    >   Its like today where some group says we are going to do something but not   
    > telling when or where.   
      
   Well, Japan said when & where (date & "western naval base"--no mistaking what   
   was threatened to happen(& did so come to pass)   
      
    > > 'twas Hiroshima first (the A-Bomb; the H-bomb was 3 days later on   
    > > Nagasaki)   
      
    >   A slip of my fingers reversing the two.     
      
   I do this daily; I swear I spewnd more time going up & correcting typoes &   
   'brainos' than actually writing the message!   
      
    > > Hoping we're done, as a species, with using such doomsday weapons. . .   
      
    >    If they used again it will be nutcase group that'll use them who don't   
    > care for human life.  Other than their own group.   
    >    It would be a lot easier to use a "suitcase nuke/dirty bomb" that uses   
    > the power of radiation rather than a blast force.   
      
   The radiation effects are currently being used by your army by using reactor   
   waste(in weaponized(dust) form) as flak armor on their vehicles.   
      
    >    Southeast Asia, Malaya and the Dutch East Indies were the principle   
    > supplier of rubber at the time.   
    >    Synthetic rubber was being developed in the west but not in great   
    > amounts.  That depended on oil, which we had plenty of.  As the supply was   
    > cut off   
    > research really kicked into high gear and perfected to what we have today.   
    >  Over time Asian rubber would not be that important, to the US/Canada   
    > anyway.   
      
   Thank you; I did not know that bit of rubber history, never having had occasion   
   to look it up. . . (not a trending topic on my radar *LOL*)   
      
   Your friend,   
      
   <+]:{)}   
   Cyberpope, Bishop of ROM   
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