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    >   Cyberpope wrote --   
      
    > > Canada was most responsible for saving the day in WW1 (Vimy Ridge was the   
    > > turning point, all scholars agree) & in WW2, most of Europe credits Canada   
    > > more than any other.   
    >     
    >    But if it hadn't been for the US supplying arms, munitions, tanks,   
    > ships, food, etc none of that would have happened.   
      
   This is the substance of endless non-completable debates. My response is   
   usually "Let's agree to disagree &/or leave it open for further evidence"   
      
   I'm always reading, so I may, at any time, change my position, when the facts   
   force me to.   
      
   I may not not always be right, but I'm never wrong.   
      
   I thought I was wrong once. . .but I was mistaken.   
      
      
    > > Japan was separate from WW2 -- that was a private economic+power struggle   
    > > disagreement between Japan & USA.  Japan gave written two week notice   
    > > before attacking Poearl Harbor. (a military target; Nagasaki & Hiroshima   
    > > had no military bases)   
      
    >   Japan had been overrunning Asia since 1931.   
    >   Japan had no coal or oil (to speak of), which ran its manufacturing,   
    > whereas other parts of Asia did.   
      
   So Japan desperately needed access to Middle Eastern oil to maintain their   
   industroal age growing population/society.  The USA blockaded it to Japan, so   
   the emperor said unless the blockadse was lifted, they were going to attack the   
   USA's Pacif naval base on 7 December of that year (1941)   
      
   Japan was an ally of Germany, but this was a separate issue & not done in   
   supportr of Hitler's designs on global dominance. (he was clear -- first   
   Europe, then the Middle East, Africa, & only after they were secured(including   
   obliteration of Jews, gays, et al), the Americas.   
      
    >   The warnings were rather cryptic (somewhere, someday) and our military   
    > leaders didn't think carriers would be used to launch air attacks.  Their   
    > collective eyes were on Australia and Philippines, not expecting a end run   
    > "behind the lines on Hawaii.   
      
   See above. It was a clear date, but, yes,no time on it -- I would've been ready   
   for 2am, myself, not expecting it to begin past dawn.   
      
   Of course, Japan would use a carrier -- how else do you support a trans-ocean   
   military engagement?  USA does the same: step one is to move at least one   
   carrier into position (c.f. Baghdad, 2003)   
      
   I know rthis, so why didn't your high level generals & the CinC?   
      
    >    While Nagasaki and Hiroshima had no military bases they were   
    > manufacturing areas.  To help end any war knock out the places the bombs,   
    > etc were   
    > made.   
      
   Fair play.   
      
    >   The US also gave warnings of the attacks with Japan ignored.  They still   
    > ignored the warnings after Nagasaki, believing the A Bomb was just  a bigger   
    > bomb and we had only one.  When the second hit they started to change their   
    > minds.   
      
   'twas Hiroshima first (the A-Bomb; the H-bomb was 3 days later on Nagasaki) &   
   the Japanese, naturally, expected a normal military response; their main   
   military forces were close enough to respond to a naval+air attack, & so they   
   weren't really expecting a lone plane to unleash such hell.   
      
   The 2nd attack came while they were still gathering data on the first.   
      
   I get it; once the decioson was made to employ nukes, the second was a done   
   deal (tested the A-bomb, but one needs to see what an H-bomb does to a civilian   
   target, too, to complete the reports.)   
      
   Overall it wass a sh*tty thing for all concerned.  At least one of the pilots   
   was completely psychologically messed up ever after.   
      
   Hoping we're done, as a species, with using such doomsday weapons. . .   
      
    > > Japan was in the South Pacific separate from WW2.  It was all part of the   
    > > oingoing Sino-Japanese wars that were of no defense concern to the West.   
      
    >   Japan also threatened the West's supply of rubber for one thing.   
      
   How so? I've not heard that one -- most rubber is from South America --   
   Japanese were nowhere near the Atlantic side of South America, where most of   
   the ports that rubber is exported through are.   
      
   Maybe there was a secondary supply from Africa, but Italy(Mussolini & co.) was   
   the main stopper there.   
      
   Your friend,   
      
   <+]:{)}   
   Cyberpope, Bishop of ROM   
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