Hello All!   
      
   I had a mail from a downlink that issued a request for access to a mail area,   
   however my system refused him.   
      
   Here is the detail from manager.log :   
      
   -!-   
   + 13-Aug-2017 15:49:57 mbfido[4916] AreaMgr request from Sean Rima of   
   2:263/1@fidonet start   
   + 13-Aug-2017 15:49:57 mbfido[4916] AreaMgr: connect "+aftershock"   
   + 13-Aug-2017 15:49:57 mbfido[4916]   2:263/1@fidonet may not connect to group   
   AUTOCREADAS   
   + 13-Aug-2017 15:49:57 mbfido[4916] AreaMgr request from Sean Rima of   
   2:263/1@fidonet finished   
   -!-   
      
   So thought err bit odd so look at the settings for AUTOCREADAS (and at the   
   same time the FIDONET mail group which shows as :   
      
   -!-   
       Group name         AUTOCREADAS   
       Comment            Autocreate   
       Active             Yes   
       Use Aka            2:250/1@fidonet   
       Uplink             1:261/38@fidonet   
       Areas file         BACKBONE.NA   
       Base path          /home/mbse/var/mail/fido   
       Netmail reply area 1   
       Start new areas at 6   
       Read security      0     --------------------------------   
       Write security     0     --------------------------------   
       Sysop security     0     --------------------------------   
       Def. link security       X-------------------------------   
       Use aliases        No   
       Add quotes         No   
       Auto add/del areas Yes   
       User add/del areas Yes   
       Default charset    UTF-8 4   
       GoldED groupid     #001   
       Start area date    Sat Apr 20 16:03:58 2002   
       Last active date   Sun Jul 23 00:13:38 2017   
      
      
      
       Group name         FIDONET   
       Comment            Fidonet areas   
       Active             Yes   
       Use Aka            2:250/1@fidonet   
       Uplink             1:261/38@fidonet   
       Areas file         fidoarea.lst   
       Base path          /home/mbse/var/mail/fido   
       Netmail reply area 1   
       Start new areas at 6   
       Read security      0     --------------------------------   
       Write security     0     --------------------------------   
       Sysop security     0     --------------------------------   
       Def. link security       X-------------------------------   
       Use aliases        No   
       Add quotes         No   
       Auto add/del areas Yes   
       User add/del areas Yes   
       Default charset    UTF-8 4   
       GoldED groupid     #003   
       Start area date    Wed Apr 17 21:19:42 2002   
       Last active date   Sun Jul 23 00:13:38 2017   
      
   -!-   
      
   As far as I know the flags in Def. link security is the only one that matters   
   other than what is set for the downlink so then looked there (I have omitted   
   the passwd blocks:   
      
   -!-   
        Sysop            Sean Rima   
        First date       Thu Oct 23 15:31:49 2014   
        Last date        Sat Jul 22 23:39:17 2017   
        Aka  1           2:263/1@fidonet   
        Route via        2:263/1@fidonet   
   ..   
   passwords block removed   
   ..   
        Mail direct      Yes     Mail crash       No      Mail hold        Yes   
        Pack mail        Yes     Send notify      Yes     Language         E   
        No EMSI          No      No YooHoo/2U2    No      No Filerequests  No   
        Don't call       No      8.3 filenames    No      Use NR mode      No   
        No PLZ           No      No GZ/BZ2        No      No Zmodem        No   
        No Zedzap        No      No Hydra         No      binkp old esc    No   
        No binkp/1.1     No      Ignore Hold/Down No      Mail forward     No   
        Check mailpwd    No      ARCmail comp.    Yes     ACRmail a..z     Yes   
        Send message     No      Send .TIC        Yes     File forward     No   
        Advanced TIC     Yes     Advanded SB      Yes     Sent To line     Yes   
        TIC 4d addresses No   
        Security flags   X-------------------------------   
      
        Outbound session Direct   
        Inbound session  Direct   
      
        Uplink mgrs    Program  Password        BBBS   
        ------------   -------- --------------- ----   
        Files                   metpOI          Yes   
        Mail                    metpOI          Yes   
      
        Statistics     Send     KBytes   Received KBytes   
        ------------   -------- -------- -------- --------   
        Total files    106      4864     0        4864   
        Total mail     3983              56   
      
        File groups:   
         ALLFILES     APPLEMAC     BBBSFDN      BFDS         CHEEPWARE   
         COBOL-TOOLS  DBRIDGE FDN  ECHOLIST     FERNWOOD     FIDO-ADMIN   
         FIDOGAZETTE  FIDONEWS     FILEMGR      GFD          LNX4   
         MBSE         MYSTIC       NASA         NODEDIFFS    ODDBALL   
         OREDSON S/W  OS2          PASCALFDN    PDN          PERLNET   
         R50          RAR          SDS          SFDS         SPORTNET   
         STN          TABLETS      TAURUS FDN   UTILNET      W32BINKD   
         WINDOWS   
      
        Mail groups:   
         AUTOCREADAS  FIDONET      LOCAL        NEWS GROUPS  Sportnet   
   -!-   
      
   From the above the Security flags is the same and he is set up for both    
   FIDONET   
   and AUTOCREADAS mail groups.   
      
   So why is mbse refusing him ?   
   The mail group was set up many years ago when the new was important for new   
   mail areas being auto added into the system but was made redundant with the   
   introduction of using the Areas File and yes I have one I built myself for   
   FIDONET and the standard one BACKBONE.NA for FIDONET but the problem here is   
   that backbone.na is not being maintained hence my usage of my own created one   
   for one of them.  This way at least according to my logic is that if an area    
   is   
   in the old BACKBONE.NA it will belong to FIDONET and if not AUTOCREADAS using   
   my created list (which I do not keep fully up to date other than look at what   
   mail areas go into my bad area.   
      
      
   So the question is what on earth is wrong that is stopping the downlink from   
   adding himself into an area that is assigned to AUTOCREADAS group ?   
      
   I did have a thought of moving all areas from AUTOCREADAS to FIDONET but there   
   is no "G" option to do so and no I am not going to do that one mail area at a   
   time as it will take far too long with no garrantee it will work.   
      
   This option for the G(roup) change in mail or for that matter file groups    
   would   
   be handy as also most of the sub params within each Group such as group chane   
   for say the various flags "Mail direct", "Mail Crash" etc.   
      
   Could be another reason for changing the existing internal mbse database type   
   system used for all of the various data blocks moving to say a SQL system such   
   as MySQL or even SQLite etc. However it would involve a good weeks worth of   
   programming in understanding the fields for each database and creating SQL    
   ones   
   as replacements.   
      
   That said it it did use SQL then it would be a simple task to issue a SQL   
   command to change all rows required extremely easily.   
      
      
   Vince   
      
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