Hello mark,   
      
   On Friday January 11 2013 12:20, you wrote to me:   
      
    ml>> why? why not just allow the the current set plus those above 127?   
      
    MvdV>> That's exactly what it is supposed to do! Should I have called   
    MvdV>> it AllowHighAscii to make it more clear for you? ;-)   
      
    ml> or perhaps you misunderstood me? bj”rn's patched makenl (2.51??)   
    ml> already allowed this years ago when he let it out for everyone to   
    ml> use... automatically and no config verbs or similar...   
      
   I know about Bj”rn's patched version. But - sorry Bj”rn just stating reality -   
   that is a dead end. we now have a version with SOURCE that we can adapt to our   
   needs. When one has the source one can do so much more than patching the   
   object code with debug, so that that fork is the best path to continue the   
   journey.   
      
    ml>>  i don't recall the nodelist being specified as CP437 but   
    ml>> traditionally, that is what it has been...   
      
    MvdV>> Certainly not! The nodelist is and never was CP437. It is and   
    MvdV>> always has been plain ASCII.   
      
    ml> pedantry bites again :( DOS machines have uses CP437 as their base   
    ml> default since way back when...   
      
   Even that is not true. The /earliest/ IBM PCs did not have an extended   
   character set at all. It just stopped at 127.   
      
    ml>  fidonet was created in the US where the St. Louis nodelist format was   
    ml> created... the US used CP437 as the default back then...   
      
   So what? Fidonet and the nodelist in particular is and never was platform   
   specific.   
      
    ml> so, when creating a text file on a DOS machine, what codepage do you   
    ml> suppose is/was used??   
      
   I have no need to suppose anyting. The platform that it was created on has   
   nothing to do with product. And the specs for that product clearly say:   
      
     The nodelist is a flat text file containing any number of lines,   
     using only the ASCII (7 bit) character set.   
      
    MvdV>> In all the history of Fidonet there never was a global nodelist   
    MvdV>> published with characters > 127. Not thet I know of anyway.   
      
    ml> then you've not been paying attention... unless i'm mistaken, bj”rn's   
    ml> patched makenl allowed for such and he did post his segment with such   
    ml> at one time...   
      
   I know. But that never made it to the "globally published nodelist".   
      
    ml> however, if others up the line refused to use that patched makenl (ie:   
    ml> Z2) then that's a "local" or "regional" problem... this could have   
    ml> been being done years ago... at least since 1999 IIRC...   
      
   Yes it could. And maybe it should. But it wasn't. And now we have chosen   
   another fork.   
      
    ml> you really need to not be so damned myopic, michiel... my comment was   
    ml> about not getting involved in yet another (stupid??) (heated??)   
    ml> argument with those that think they know better than anyone else no   
    ml> matter who they are...   
      
   As I see it, you are doing just that... getting involved in arguement.   
      
      
   Cheers, Michiel   
      
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