Hello Ward,   
      
   On 30 Dec 13 12:18, Ward Dossche wrote to Nicholas Boel:   
      
    WD> Nick,   
      
    NB>> I've tried telnetting to every one of those zone 4 BBS systems as   
    NB>> well as trying to telnet to their binkp ports (knowing that   
    NB>> they're all listed as ICM, not getting a response from any of them   
    NB>> wasn't very surprising) only to find one available most of the   
    NB>> time, and that's the ZC.   
      
    WD> People from Z1 are a funny breed.   
      
   I'm sure many think the same about you as well, although I try not to label    
   people before knowing them on a better level than this.   
      
    WD> For years I've been getting my nose chewed-off for even daring to   
    WD> mention anythng about the disfunctionality of the technical attributes   
    WD> associated with what is listed in the Z4-segment. Merely uttering the   
    WD> thought that there is no functioning Z4 anymore but in the best of   
    WD> cases a set-up of point-like systems got me banished to hell.   
      
    WD> Now it's ... OK ... suddenly ?   
      
   Okay for what? I mentioned what I witnessed from my own system at one point in    
   time. I didn't say there is no zone 4, and I didn't bash zone 4 for being    
   disfunctional - as you seem to like to do.   
      
    WD> First of all, the case of zone-4.   
      
    WD> To be quite blunt, there is no zone-4, just some bogus lines in the   
    WD> nodelist:   
      
   Yeah that's pretty blunt. Nowhere near what I said, though. And you think I'm    
   a funny breed, eh? :(   
      
    WD> Eventually it even is obvious to the blind that there is no Z4.   
    WD> Whenever I dared mentioning that in the past, I got machine-gunned   
    WD> down by a Z1 firing-squad.   
      
   Maybe it's how you went about it that got that response from others? You know,    
   the people "not at the top" ?   
      
    WD> And now Z1-elements are telling me that Z4 is really not that   
    WD> important?   
      
   I didn't say they weren't important. If, in fact, they are real live nodes.. I    
   said they wouldn't be affected whatsoever unless an NC allowed unpublished    
   listings in his segment before the RCs and ZCs. I highly doubt this would    
   happen, and believe Manuel would be the first in zone 4 to join the effort.    
   Therefore, nothing should be affected in zone 4 - even if no changes were made    
   to the current segments.   
      
   You really should get your story straight before putting words into my   
   messages.   
      
   [Cropped out story-time - since what I said seemed to get your panties in a    
   bunch in regards to zone 4.]   
      
    WD> There is 1 purpose only to have a zone-4 though, and it's purely   
    WD> political ... not that it will ever happen but in case a showdown   
    WD> occurs among ZCs there will never be a "no decision" situation with   
    WD> the uneven number of 3. Also, there will be no ZC to be awoken from   
    WD> the dead to cast a vote out of nowhere.   
      
   That's up to you guys to bicker over. Most of the rest of us would just like    
   to continue enjoying the network for it's _good_ things and not worry about    
   the constant fighting a select few always do. Enjoying the network also    
   consists of allowing whatever developers we have left to do their thing, and    
   embrace their achievements - especially if said software is deployed to    
   advance the network.   
      
    WD> Now, as far as it concerns AllowUnpub ... there is a technical issue   
    WD> here with the setup of ERRFLAGS that makes the parameter irrelevant. I   
    WD> have explained the situation in direct netmail to Andrew Leary and   
    WD> Kees Van Eeten and the problem is in the process of being dealt with.   
    WD> Kees doesn't shout, he suggests, he helps ... that's a main trait of   
    WD> the man who is worth his weight in ... hay. :-)   
      
    WD> Any more questions?   
      
   Why do you seem to lift your nose to everyone else? Does being a ZC of Fidonet    
   do that to a person? Not really my idea of a good lifetime achievement, to be    
   completely honest. :(   
      
   After that, nothing further.. It seems you are the go-to guy if you want    
   something that could help and move the network forward sat on for a lot    
   longer than it needs to be (from what I remember, not the first time?). Thanks    
   for that at least.   
      
   Regards,   
   Nick   
      
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